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Re:Don’t buy System76 hardware and expect to get firmware up... by codegeek on Thursday May 10, 2018 @09:46AM (#17038761)
Aah System76. I had a terrible experience with their keyboard back in 2012 and they just said they can send a replacement keyboard but would not refund because as a consumer, it is my responsibility to install a new keyboard even though it was their fault. So I had to figure out how to become a technician, rip open the faulty keyboard and try and install the new one. Looks like they have not changed much. Good riddance.
Re:Don’t buy System76 hardware and expect to get firmware up... by flukus on Thursday May 10, 2018 @08:02PM (#17043920)
That sounds fantastic provided the keyboard is easy to replace, or easy enough for a local technician, no need to ship the whole laptop around the country (ow world) and have it formatted by useless OEM tech support.

The fact that they ship replacement parts at all puts them above most OEM's who don't believe you have the right to repair your own machine.

Re:Don’t buy System76 hardware and expect to get firmware up... by shmageggy on Friday May 11, 2018 @02:02PM (#17049498)
They should have never had to ship replacement keyboards at all. I had the same laptop, and the keyboard it shipped with was horribly unusable. For many keys you could only expect it to register a keypress around 80% of the time. This wasn't a case of fixing a damaged part, this was a case of shockingly bad design and QA followed by ignoring customers for months. OP had every right to be annoyed that they made him install his own keyboard. System76 absolutely should have paid to have its defective product fully repaired if that's what the customer desired.
Re:Don’t buy System76 hardware and expect to get firmware up... by Xeboc on Thursday May 10, 2018 @02:12PM (#17041503)
System76 tech support here. One of our primary principles is empowerment and enablement. I strive to teach, support, and educate individuals on Linux and hardware maintenance. We tend to have individuals handle minor repairs, as shipping a whole laptop is time consuming and exposes the hardware to the additional possibility of shipping damage or other loss. At any point in time, we are more than happy to bring a computer in and do the repair work. Unless otherwise requested, keeping a computer with an individual tends to be the best, as it allows the computer to continue to be used until the replacement part arrives.
Re:Don’t buy System76 hardware and expect to get firmware up... by theyinwhy on Thursday May 10, 2018 @03:13PM (#17042054)
Using "empowerment and enablement" as an excuse for not doing the repair during warranty is not acceptable.

Why would I want to repair a computer in warranty if I could instead spend time with my friends?

If not in warranty, I of course would appreciate manuals' and spare parts' availability.

But those are two very different kind of situations.

Re:Don’t buy System76 hardware and expect to get firmware up... by Xeboc on Thursday May 10, 2018 @03:57PM (#17042418)
As I indicated:

"At any point in time, we are more than happy to bring a computer in and do the repair work."

No one has to do the repair work if they don't want to!

Re:Don’t buy System76 hardware and expect to get firmware up... by theyinwhy on Friday May 11, 2018 @02:42AM (#17045388)
That's good to know. What does your support look like? Do you send me a loaner? How long does it normally take you to do repairs?
Re:Don’t buy System76 hardware and expect to get firmware up... by asdsa5325 on Thursday May 10, 2018 @03:40PM (#17042290)
Cut the marketing slang please