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Re:The Senate has forced a vote to restore net neutrality by tzs on Thursday May 10, 2018 @06:14AM (#17037588)
> Reddit, Tumblr, Etsy and other sites have put up Red Alert banners as part of a day of action to drive petitions in support of the resolution.

This is being seriously mismanaged, and that may actually cause long term harm to the chances of saving (or restoring) net neutrality.

The big mistake being made is not explaining where the Congressional Review Act (CRA) approach fits into the bigger picture. There are several places along the timeline of net neutrality repeal where it in theory could be saved. The Congressional Review Act (CRA) approach is just one of them.

The CRA approach has almost no chance of actually passing both houses (it has a pretty good chance in the Senate, but because of the way the House is structured it would take a miracle there).

When you consider it in the context of the bigger picture, that's not a problem. Its role in the overall effort is to get members of Congress on the record, which might be useful later in campaigns for office. The public is broadly in favor of net neutrality and this support is very high even among Republicans.

That's probably not enough to get Republican voters to vote Democrat, because it is not high on the list of important issues for them, but it could be enough to get them to vote for more moderate Republicans in the Republican primaries or caucuses.

In sports terms, this is not a play to score a goal. It is an attempt to get better position to set up a later scoring play. But the people running these campaigns treat everything like it is a scoring attempt...and then when it doesn't score the people who participated feel like they failed.

That can discourage them, making them less likely to respond to later calls to action. Then they might not be there when it is time to actually go for a goal (e.g., get out and vote).

Re:The Senate has forced a vote to restore net neutrality by jiojfdsal3 on Thursday May 10, 2018 @08:14AM (#17038147)
How do you convince network giants like IBM, Intel, Cisco, Nokia, Qualcomm, Broadcom, Juniper, D-Link, among others, that net neutrality regulations are a bad idea? They currently support what Ajit Pai is doing. They have even have gone as far as crediting his repeals for greater investment into their network infrastructure.
Re:The Senate has forced a vote to restore net neutrality by Brockenstein on Thursday May 10, 2018 @08:59AM (#17038433)
You probably don't because net neutrality isn't an automatic win for everyone. Some companies clearly benefit from the repeal. They do have incentive to invest in their networks when they can monetize it every which way, it's now a feature they can charge for...

Except maybe for a PR tidal wave so huge that anyone who opposes net neutrality is driven out of business, I don't see how you convince companies to go against their own interests.

Re:The Senate has forced a vote to restore net neutrality by shane_siebken on Thursday May 10, 2018 @09:04AM (#17038469)
You don't - you can only change the rules of the game so their interests are set in line with public opinion, or environmental standards, or safety practices, or whatever else.
Re:The Senate has forced a vote to restore net neutrality by dhimes on Thursday May 10, 2018 @11:20AM (#17039637)
^^ Right answer. Board members will be upset if companies don't do every thing they can to increase profits, including "persuading" members of Congress and swaying public opinion. Our job, as "civilians," is to set the rules of the game the way we want them. The companies won't- unless there is accidental alignment between the company's goals and ours (in this case, small companies may align for example).
Re:The Senate has forced a vote to restore net neutrality by davvolun on Thursday May 10, 2018 @11:18AM (#17039615)
In what sport do you hold back from scoring a goal in order to set yourself up to score a goal later though?

That is to say, what you're saying is true, but typically (as long as the net is in sight) the best way to set yourself up to score a goal later is to try to score a goal now.

The approach is prone to local maxima, but I'm not convinced there can be another approach here. If you're not trying to win it all, then you're setting yourself up to lose.

Re:The Senate has forced a vote to restore net neutrality by Yhippa on Thursday May 10, 2018 @11:30AM (#17039746)
Pretty much every sport? You don't go all out every opportunity you have the instant you have priority. Nearly every sport has some concept of setting up plays: American football, soccer, basketball, boxing, MMA.

They can't even score a goal now. The purpose of this within the US legal system is a pure intermediate play. And the when net neutrality doesn't get overturned as a result of this instance people will feel demoralized and hopeless.

Re:The Senate has forced a vote to restore net neutrality by op00to on Thursday May 10, 2018 @11:36AM (#17039825)
Re:The Senate has forced a vote to restore net neutrality by monocasa on Thursday May 10, 2018 @12:38PM (#17040478)
Literally any game that has a distinction between tactics and strategy (ie. most of them).