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Re:Devuan “ASCII” 2.0 Release Candidate is now available by danpalmer on Thursday May 10, 2018 @04:33AM (#17037205)
(Obligatory, this is honestly not trolling, but...)

> For me, this, plus pre-systemd levels of stability and debuggability is a winning combination.

As a developer who uses a Mac every day, and has experience with Linux only at a distance, administrating servers a little, using Ansible, debugging the odd production failure...

I actually find it easier to debug a system using systemd. I'm not sure why this is. Some ideas I have are:

- It could be that I never learnt the old way?

- I find the config files easier to grok than the scripts, and I don't think I've ever had an issue with systemd itself, so never needed to go further down that path than the config files.

- I find it a bit more consistent between different parts of the system.

Re:Devuan “ASCII” 2.0 Release Candidate is now available by alxlaz on Thursday May 10, 2018 @04:47AM (#17037245)
> I don't think I've ever had an issue with systemd itself

You've been very lucky :-).

My favourite gem, which I haven't been able to figure out by the time I'd finally decided I've had enough and ditched the damn thing, was not being able to reboot my computer if I had some filesystems mounted over the network. It irked me considerably, because I was running a rolling-release distro at the time and I rebooted fairly often.

(Edit: to be clear -- I'm sure there are tons of valid use cases that systemd serves much better than any other init system. I know a lot of very knowledgeable people who use it. My computers just don't seem to have those use cases :-) )