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Re:Android P by lern_too_spel on Tuesday May 08, 2018 @08:23PM (#17026521)
Just don't use them. Unlike in iOS, you can replace all those apps with other apps that you prefer. No rooting or jailbreaking required. If you don't like Google Assistant, you can use Alexa or Cortana or something entirely different. If you don't like Siri on iOS, tough luck.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/7/17328758/amazon-alexa-defa...

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Re:Android P by untog on Tuesday May 08, 2018 @09:49PM (#17026878)
Not true these days. If you want to use location, the app has to use Google Location Services. No matter what the final app is.
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Re:Android P by lern_too_spel on Tuesday May 08, 2018 @10:35PM (#17027053)
No need for Google Location Services unless you want to access Google's location data. https://developer.android.com/reference/android/location/pac...
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Re:Android P by untog on Tuesday May 08, 2018 @10:56PM (#17027130)
You as a developer, yes. But you as a user have no choice if the developer has decided to use Google Location Services.
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Re:Android P by lern_too_spel on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @09:59AM (#17029848)
As a user, you just simply never opt in to using Google Location Services, something that is not even possible on iOS.
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Re:Android P by izacus on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @02:46AM (#17027847)
This is simply not true. LocationManager API works well still.
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Re:Android P by kuschku on Tuesday May 08, 2018 @09:19PM (#17026762)
Could you please tell me how I am supposed to disable this app? https://i.k8r.eu/q-NmHw Or this? https://i.k8r.eu/3K7idw

I can’t even disable this Google bloatware on a stock phone (Nexus 5X)

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Re:Android P by lern_too_spel on Tuesday May 08, 2018 @09:29PM (#17026800)
You can't disable the only launcher on your phone. Just install another launcher, set that launcher as your default, and the end result is exactly what you would want (no Google launcher running). This is not possible at all on iOS.

Also, you've once again conflated "stock" with Google phone. If you use more precise terminology, you won't be so confused.

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Re:Android P by kuschku on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @12:24AM (#17027400)
I have a different launcher installed, and in use. I backported the changes Google did in their launcher to Launcher3, built that, installed it, and am using it.

Yet I can still not disable these Google apps.

EDIT: Screenshot https://i.k8r.eu/4ZLdMA

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Re:Android P by lern_too_spel on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @10:09AM (#17029936)
And by installing a different launcher, the Google apps never run, which is the effect you wanted to achieve. You gain nothing by disabling the apps after that.

If you were able to disable the apps and then uninstall the the new launcher, your phone would be unusable until you did a factory reset from recovery.

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Re:Android P by kuschku on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @03:20PM (#17032988)
Incorrect. The Google apps are still used and running, e.g. for hotword detection even when the launcher is changed. And even with hotword detection off.

And they take up space in my launcher.

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Re:Android P by lern_too_spel on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @04:59PM (#17034031)
Not on the Pixel. On my Pixel, I can disable the Google app and if I use a different launcher, the Pixel launcher won't run at all. So they're getting more customizable over time.
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