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Re:Subscription Hell by cube2222 on Sunday May 06, 2018 @06:17PM (#17008925)
I must say I actually love the subscription model that is becoming the de facto standard.

If you sell a one time license to somebody there is no incentive for the seller to keep making the product better, to care keep caring for you.

With a subscription model - especially a non-annually-paid one, they have to keep working to keep you.

It's also a way more sustainable business model and probably the only thing which can replace ads in practice. If a service like facebook gets a load of money out of you per year, there's no way they would switch to a one-time fee instead. If it were to be replaced by a subscription though, then you're still a constant money flow for them, which would work much better.

Re:Subscription Hell by zerowellies on Sunday May 06, 2018 @06:27PM (#17008980)
How many products need constant feature updates? Aside from security/compatibility there are plenty of products that already meet everything required of them (to near everyone). How many new features does a file manager need? An PDF reader?

For Facebook - I don't think forced subscription would work. People would be forced to think about how much they value the service (a less ubiquitous one at that).

Re:Subscription Hell by cube2222 on Sunday May 06, 2018 @06:59PM (#17009127)
Not only feature updates. Also everyday bug, security updates and also operating costs.

1. Operating system 2. Programming IDE 3. Password Manager 4. Well I pay subscription for Netflix and Spotify but that's not really for the updates. Partly for new content, partly operating costs. 5. Facebook (I'd prefer to cover the operating costs by subscription, I really dislike ads) 6. Email - same as above

Also, actually I'd like all the services I use to provide feature updates now and then and continue trying to innovate.

Edit: also, if you do feature updates every now and then. Like it was with Windows or Photoshop. Then you end up having to support a lot of parallel versions with security and bug fixes which is wasted work really.

Re:Subscription Hell by zerowellies on Sunday May 06, 2018 @07:07PM (#17009159)
The model works for you - great. There are users who don't care for constant feature updates and rather own a product than perpetually rent it.
Re:Subscription Hell by cube2222 on Sunday May 06, 2018 @07:12PM (#17009182)
I do understand that. I'm not saying there's one size fits all. I just don't agree that subscribtions are inherently bad.

But - if those preferring a perpetual license were to be a strong minority, there would be no business incentive to make products in such a way.

Re:Subscription Hell by AlexandrB on Monday May 07, 2018 @07:40AM (#17011940)
> 3. Password Manager

This one is a total non-starter for subscription pricing. I'm not willing to use software that will potentially cut access to all my accounts if I stop paying them monthly.

Re:Subscription Hell by cube2222 on Monday May 07, 2018 @08:54AM (#17012303)
Check out 1password. Read access is retained, and you still have everything stored offline.
Re:Subscription Hell by yurishimo on Monday May 07, 2018 @08:45PM (#17017826)
Most password managers retain read access. The subscription is to sync between devices and delegate shared access across teams.
Re:Subscription Hell by around_here on Monday May 07, 2018 @12:40AM (#17010436)
Not too mention when the features just become some massive bloat and ruin the core features of the product. Chat applications are pretty much the worst offender for this kind of thing.
Re:Subscription Hell by hk__2 on Sunday May 06, 2018 @06:29PM (#17008989)
> How many products need constant feature updates? Aside from security/compatibility there are plenty of products that already meet everything required of them (to near everyone). How many new features does a file manager need? An PDF reader?

Do you have any example of file managers or PDF readers with a subscription-based model?

Re:Subscription Hell by zerowellies on Sunday May 06, 2018 @06:39PM (#17009028)
Adobe Acrobat Pro, Foxit Phantom PDF. I'll concede I can't think of a file manager though.
Re:Subscription Hell by mmel on Sunday May 06, 2018 @08:42PM (#17009593)
>can't think of a file manager though

http://dopus.com/ not exactly subscription, but you buy a major version, and each new major version is a new purchase.

Re:Subscription Hell by chrisseaton on Sunday May 06, 2018 @06:51PM (#17009091)
But those are PDF editors, not PDF readers.
Re:Subscription Hell by zerowellies on Sunday May 06, 2018 @06:59PM (#17009129)
True. How many new features do they need? What about word processors? Photo editors? Email clients? There are new features that could be useful, but for many users their needs are already fulfilled. Why should they have to continue paying for Photoshop as a service if they're happy with the current version? I apologise for my poor examples.
Re:Subscription Hell by chrisseaton on Sunday May 06, 2018 @07:23PM (#17009227)
> Why should they have to continue paying for Photoshop as a service if they're happy with the current version?

Ultimately - because the person who owns the rights for the software wants to keep charging them and since it's their software they decide what is charged for it, end of story.

If it's not a good deal for you, go somewhere else. There's no point arguing about prices beyond that. There's no 'should' in prices - only what people want to charge and what people want to pay.

Re:Subscription Hell by zerowellies on Sunday May 06, 2018 @08:06PM (#17009422)
Right, they pay more because the company wills it and people (I think) are more receptive to subscribitions. This is what the author of the article is complaining about and the reason consumer advocacy groups exist.
Re:Subscription Hell by nvr219 on Sunday May 06, 2018 @09:42PM (#17009816)
No
Re:Subscription Hell by pmichaud on Sunday May 06, 2018 @07:04PM (#17009146)
When you say "working to keep you" I think you're imagining the software becoming more valuable and useful to you, such that you are happy to keep paying them.

In reality, those companies who don't do scummy things like attempt to lock your data or similar, will be out competed by those who do.

Re:Subscription Hell by koonsolo on Sunday May 06, 2018 @07:18PM (#17009205)
> If you sell a one time license to somebody there is no incentive for the seller to keep making the product better, to care keep caring for you.

I strongly disagree on this one. If they want to sell you version 2.0 (upgrade), they better make sure those new features are worth their money.

With a subscription model, you either keep paying them or you lose it all. Why would they improve their product when you're already paying them x/month?

Re:Subscription Hell by cube2222 on Sunday May 06, 2018 @07:30PM (#17009257)
Because in this case their competition will catch up and I will switch. Exactly as I did with play music -> Spotify.