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Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by nottorp on Saturday May 05, 2018 @02:05PM (#17002916)
Hmm. "Fuck reading a book a week. No one can read that fast. Let me repeat that -NO ONE CAN FUCKING READ THAT FAST."

He/she/it thinks so? Maybe if it's a useless self improvement book. Perhaps he/she/it should practice their reading skills...

Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by peckrob on Saturday May 05, 2018 @02:17PM (#17002994)
Agreed. I agree with most of the points in this post, but I can’t get behind this one.

I read 1-2 books a week because I prioritize reading time. Usually an hour or two before going to sleep. I find quiet reading time really helps me wind down and sleep better. And, I read thing I enjoy - mostly science fiction novels, nothing heavy. Reading is my time.

More people should make time to just read.

Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by throwaway41441 on Saturday May 05, 2018 @03:03PM (#17003234)
Book reading can be like watching soap opera, mindless and you don't remember what you read after a few hours.

Good book reading requires introspection, time to digest, etc. Also, why are you reading it in particular? Is it just a story? What for?

Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by walshemj on Saturday May 05, 2018 @02:22PM (#17003036)
I would agree I used to go though 4 or 5 books an a lot less than a week and still read on average more than one per week.

Obviously if your dyslexic and have problems reading (not all dyslexics do btw) I could accept some people could be slower

Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by cmcginty on Sunday May 06, 2018 @04:18AM (#17005694)
Yup, math checks out. 80k words a book, so say 120k words/week. If you read 200 wpm then this would take about 10 hours or 1.5h per day.
Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by zbentley on Sunday May 06, 2018 @08:46AM (#17006214)
Yep, and if you practice reading a lot, you’ll get much faster and get better comprehension.

Just try to avoid the styles of “quantity oriented” reading practice taught in e.g. law school. Nothing is more guaranteed to make books unappealing as a pleasure activity. People with learning disabilities and reading-oriented jobs may have different experiences with those techniques, though.

Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by parrellel on Saturday May 05, 2018 @02:54PM (#17003197)
Yeah, no.

If you're working 80-90 hour weeks, which isn't a crazy number from what I can tell at a lot of these startups, you aren't reading two or three books a week.

Or rather, it's very unlikely you have the mental capacity left to process what you're reading unless its mindless pap - which is fair, I can dig mindless pap - but that is almost the same creature as watching Netflix or 3 am infomercials.

If you are working two full time-jobs worth of hours each week and are still managing to read books, good job?

Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by badcede on Saturday May 05, 2018 @03:50PM (#17003457)
As far as I can tell, having observed this question closely if intermittently for 20 years, those 80-90 hour work weeks are a myth. Which is unsurprising, since self-reported data is famously unreliable.

There's never any independent evidence, and to the extent that you can test the claims, they don't hold up. For example, if you look in the parking lots of these buildings at night or look for which office windows have lights on, it's obvious that they're nearly all empty, and that's always been the case. But both sides in the argument ("yeah I worked that hard" vs. "no one should work that hard") have an incentive to agree on inflated numbers, so they can argue about the rest.

I do remember one startup where the CEO would have a tantrum if someone left before midnight, but that was only for a brief period (the situation was unstable), and even at the peak of that insanity, no one worked close to 80-90 hours a week. People would just come in late the next day. They certainly thought they were working 80 hours though.

Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by parrellel on Sunday May 06, 2018 @08:41AM (#17006201)
Well, if we can take the position that the lot of the people at start ups are wildly inflating their hours, then, yeah, a book a week is entirely reasonable.

Having occasionally seen people working that much outside of crunch - only at one startup and in the game industry, admittedly - I've just been taking those claims at face value.

Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by zbentley on Sunday May 06, 2018 @08:41AM (#17006200)
Yeah, let’s not shame people for reading, even if they’re reading dumb shit or doing it just to brag. Getting practiced at reading fast and well, even if you practice on stupid subjects, is a valuable skill that’ll stick with you for a long time. It’s also something of a gateway drug to reading more broadly, and that’s key to escaping cognitive/cultural bubbles, which is what the article is critiquing.
Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by riantogo on Saturday May 05, 2018 @03:21PM (#17003323)
The author asks, “how about ‘really’ reading that book?”, drawing a distinction between “reading” and “reading + absorbing + reflecting + enjoying...”.
Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by Karrot_Kream on Saturday May 05, 2018 @02:12PM (#17002957)
I thought the point was more that the types described in the article were all about consuming self-help or experience books, like Gladwell or Lean Startup, and weren't books by Dostoevsky or books on business case studies or something that actually required critical thinking skills.
Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by taneq on Saturday May 05, 2018 @02:17PM (#17002993)
A book a week is easy if you don't have anything else to do. I used to read a book every 2-3 days when I was in highschool. Now with kids and family and my company going nuts I'm lucky if I can get 10 pages in per night.
Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by nottorp on Saturday May 05, 2018 @02:19PM (#17003013)
It's all your fault, sorry. I have kids and family and a company too.
Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by ModernMech on Saturday May 05, 2018 @02:28PM (#17003071)
Unless you know taneq personally (and I doubt you do by your attack), don't judge him/her. Seriously. You don't know what their homelife is like, so please be civil and refrain judgement. I've worked with a lot of kids, and the amount of attention they require varies wildly, depending on disposition and even health conditions.
Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by manigandham on Saturday May 05, 2018 @03:12PM (#17003277)
Who's judging? What's that have to do with anything? We all have the same amount of time per day, you choose how to spend yours.
Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by DamnYuppie on Saturday May 05, 2018 @02:27PM (#17003060)
Not all families and companies are the same or going through the same thing so while that comment on the surface makes sense I don't think it is 100% accurate.

I do agree that prioritizing time to read is important but at different points in ones life the amount of time/energy available can fluctuate greatly.

Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by nottorp on Saturday May 05, 2018 @02:25PM (#17003049)
Reply to filesystem dude: He isn't prioritizing kids and family over reading, he is prioritizing his private entertainment time to not include reading. I can't believe all he has left is time for 10 pages per week.
Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by ModernMech on Saturday May 05, 2018 @02:31PM (#17003093)
You're too busy attacking, you didn't realize the rate was 10 per night. Depending on the text, that's about 30 minutes of reading for me (I'm not a fast reader) so that' understandable. I barely have 30 minutes to myself after getting up at 6, commuting, working 9 hours, commuting back, making dinner, eating, getting everyone ready for bed, quality time with family, and then finally settling down for the night for some time with my wife. Rinse repeat, where's the time for myself?
Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by taneq on Sunday May 06, 2018 @09:26PM (#17009756)
Substitute in some housework for the commute and that's basically my day.

Some nights we decide to use our "couples time" for reading, and that's nice but also doesn't happen too often because we do actually need some time to talk to each other as well. :)

Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by filesystemdude on Saturday May 05, 2018 @02:23PM (#17003039)
Okay. So the parent poster prioritizes his kids and family over reading. And you're guilting him for that?
Re:Fuck You Startup World (2016) by lallysingh on Saturday May 05, 2018 @02:21PM (#17003032)
Long commute, audiobook, 1.5-2x regular speed.