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Re:Ask HN: What problem in your industry is a potential star... by franciscop on Friday May 04, 2018 @01:19PM (#16996303)
I don't think for a startup you need K8s and most of the things you have outlined! Maybe for a late-stage startup, but then you are already doing something so a generic slap-it-there solution might not be the best idea.

You are describing a large-scale setup boilerplate, far away from what I'd call a startup in a box. Slap in a simple server like my own project [1] or no server at all until product-market fit, and then but only then start scaling.

[1] https://serverjs.io/

Re:Ask HN: What problem in your industry is a potential star... by mikepurvis on Friday May 04, 2018 @01:32PM (#16996427)
But if the cost of having those things is low enough, maybe it's worth it to have them sooner rather than later.

I've experienced many of those tools in the context of a 200-person company; I can definitely see how managed versions of them could deliver value to a much smaller org.

Re:Ask HN: What problem in your industry is a potential star... by kodablah on Friday May 04, 2018 @01:35PM (#16996457)
Of course you don't "need" them. However, I don't believe I'm describing a large scale boilerplate. You can get this with a few servers and a couple hundred a month these days. Heck, you can do it on a laptop w/ minikube probably (though obviously not ok to do in prod, just goes to show the costs are not the problem here). Sure it's easy to run an app. But it's not easy to admin it as you grow (even though you are not yet "big" and still may be only one or two people).
Re:Ask HN: What problem in your industry is a potential star... by atmosx on Saturday May 05, 2018 @04:14AM (#17000902)
Who will troubleshoot when shit hits the fan?

It seems to me that you are introducing technical debt from day one because it’s cool.

Re:Ask HN: What problem in your industry is a potential star... by merinowool on Saturday May 05, 2018 @07:59PM (#17004562)
What technical debt?
Re:Ask HN: What problem in your industry is a potential star... by BjoernKW on Sunday May 06, 2018 @06:00AM (#17005882)
The kind of technical debt otherwise known as premature optimisation. If you don't even know yet that your app has to scale - and in which way - preparing for that contingency is a waste of resources.
Re:Ask HN: What problem in your industry is a potential star... by merinowool on Sunday May 06, 2018 @01:59PM (#17007424)
I wouldn't qualify that as a premature optimisation. Kubernetes is de facto standard of running applications now and you get all the benefits for almost free. Premature optimisation in this case would be over provisioning - throwing more servers than you need.
Re:Ask HN: What problem in your industry is a potential star... by vimal7370 on Sunday May 06, 2018 @02:31PM (#17007610)
K8s is "de facto standard" already? When did that happen? No doubt that K8s has a great future and I personally like it a lot as well. But to call it a standard requirement itself is premature.