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Re:How salad became a major source of food poisoning in the US by gregable on Thursday May 03, 2018 @05:41PM (#16990239)
Honestly, whatever form of cooking gets you to eat them is probably the best preparation.

Some nutrients in some vegetables are diminished by cooking (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1750-3841... for example). Some are also enhanced. For example: lycopene from tomatoes. Overall, it seemed to me that cooking often harms nutrition more than it helps.

Re:How salad became a major source of food poisoning in the US by verbify on Thursday May 03, 2018 @05:56PM (#16990358)
This isn't my area, but I've heard that cooking is part of digestion.

I know evolutionary biology isn't as intuitive as people always assume, but theoretically this fits within my model - digestion burns precious calories (at least in a world with too many calories), breaking down the food using fire somewhat allows for the body to spend less calories on breaking it down itself. So our ancestors who used fire to cook had an advantage because they could spend less calories on digestion.

Archaeological evidence suggests that humans can control fire between 700,000 years ago and 120,000 years ago.

There's also a hypothesis that the nutritional changes allowed through cooking increased our brain size - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_of_fire_by_early_human....

But fundamentally, I wonder if we cook too much. Some compounds are very fragile, and cooking would harm nutrition (as you said). As I said, not my field, but I try to stick to a lot of leafy greens as is recommended by health services, and the occasional cooked proteins.

Re:How salad became a major source of food poisoning in the US by goldenkey on Thursday May 03, 2018 @06:01PM (#16990397)
The hydrochloric acid in the stomach is pretty strong, about 1.5 ph. Cooking is mild for most compounds compared to dissolution in strong acid. I don't think we cook too much. Like you said, it is mostly just predigestion.
Re:How salad became a major source of food poisoning in the US by echlebek on Thursday May 03, 2018 @06:06PM (#16990429)
Cooked food provides more energy than raw food. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2011/12/08/why-calori...
Re:How salad became a major source of food poisoning in the US by jessaustin on Thursday May 03, 2018 @09:04PM (#16991403)
Is that something that most people on HN want? More energy from their food?
Re:How salad became a major source of food poisoning in the US by SmellyGeekBoy on Friday May 04, 2018 @04:33AM (#16993081)
It would mean that they could eat less to get the same number of calories?
Re:How salad became a major source of food poisoning in the US by dtech on Friday May 04, 2018 @07:56AM (#16993827)
Food is currently so abundant that getting too much calories/obesity is large problem for both indiduals and society as a whole.

People want to eat more and get less calories, not the other way around.

Re:How salad became a major source of food poisoning in the US by staplers on Thursday May 03, 2018 @06:30PM (#16990614)
"some foods" - from the article itself

FTFY.. it's a bad idea to make absolute statements like that

Re:How salad became a major source of food poisoning in the US by scythe on Thursday May 03, 2018 @07:35PM (#16990964)
>Some nutrients in some vegetables are diminished by cooking (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1750-3841.... for example).

It's not clear that this is relevant to heart disease. Vitamin C, for example, is degraded by heat, but has no role in preventing heart disease. "Antioxidants" is the smoke signal of the woo practitioner.

>Overall, it seemed to me that cooking often harms nutrition more than it helps.

This is such a common and annoying myth that I need to call it out as such. Humans literally evolved to eat cooked food.

http://img2.timg.co.il/forums/1_142929513.pdf

http://symposium.cshlp.org/content/early/2009/10/19/sqb.2009...

https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/16498

https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/12770

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullar...

Also, lycopene is not a "nutrient".