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Re:Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram by gowld on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:04PM (#16987151)
Fight Club gets a lot of retroactive flak now that people know how they were "supposed" to read it. The book was a dramatization of the way young men feel about life. If the author and book had any valid insight, then of course young men would identify with the "bad" lifestyle in the movie, and not suddenly turn into old men while watching the movie. The movie is entirely showing the fantasy from the "vapid" perspective. It does nothing in itself to destroy the fantasy except at the very end where it shows "maybe it's possible to take this too far?"
Re:Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram by Bartweiss on Thursday May 03, 2018 @04:09PM (#16989446)
> If the author and book had any valid insight, then of course young men would identify with the "bad" lifestyle in the movie

Nicely put. I don't really understand how the negative ending of Fight Club is supposed to stop people from identifying with it; it's not as though it shows another happier path people with the same sentiments ought to endorse.

"If you feel this way and commit to it completely, things will go wrong for you" is totally compatible with "many people feel this way", and if the movie wasn't relatable it's not clear to me how it would have anything useful to say.

Re:Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram by optimuspaul on Thursday May 03, 2018 @01:28PM (#16987902)
I think the problem with Fight Club could be that the movie changed the ending just enough that the message was lost. In the book is was more obvious what the message was.
Re:Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram by Nexxxeh on Thursday May 03, 2018 @01:29PM (#16987904)
Wasn't the message of Fight Club ostensibly anti-capitalist and anti-consumerist, the exact opposite of the lifestyle of #richkidsofinstagram ?
Re:Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram by CPLX on Thursday May 03, 2018 @02:43PM (#16988624)
Fight Club had a lot of messages. I could name a couple more:

* A generation of men raised with absent father figures is leading to listless depression.

* Every person has an idealized version of themselves in their head where they are powerful and purposeful.

* Modern middle class culture has no real danger in it, and we have lost our connection to the world of physical violence and dominance.

* Living for the acquisition of more IKEA furniture is a poor life decision.

And so on and so forth. Like most decently thoughtful and provocative film and writing it throws a lot of things at you and makes you think and reconsider your values a little. It has a lot of messages, some contradictory, some confusing or banal, and some intriguing.

Re:Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram by chiefalchemist on Thursday May 03, 2018 @09:30PM (#16991523)
I think, in a way, FC and The Matrix were the msg. That is, be complicit and conform, as zombies so. Or don't, and be alive, be yourself.

Sure there are particulars. But is FC's consuming consumer that much different (metaphorically) from being a battery for the machines?

I don't think so.

Re:Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram by nailer on Thursday May 03, 2018 @01:53PM (#16988144)
No. Project Mayhem was anti-capitalist and anti-consumerist. The message of Flight Club was that nihilism is a destructive force.
Re:Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram by ShabbosGoy on Thursday May 03, 2018 @10:44PM (#16991848)
Similar to A Clockwork Orange. Ultimately nihilism/anarchism are juvenile philosophies that one (hopefully) outgrows when they are older.
Re:Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram by Apocryphon on Thursday May 03, 2018 @01:32PM (#16987942)
Yes, but capitalism is more than capable of repackaging those subversive themes to push product.