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Re:The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe by pbhjpbhj on Thursday May 03, 2018 @08:40AM (#16985405)
To me minimum wage is great - but why (in UK) does a 24 year old need less than a 25 year old, or indeed deserve less?

Why do "apprentices" deserve less than is considered the minimum living wage.

Even minimum wage has been corrupted.

UBI, or something equally revolutionary, I think will be needed without a major population collapse.

Re:The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe by jdietrich on Thursday May 03, 2018 @08:57AM (#16985519)
One of the main risks of a minimum wage is suppressing the employment rate of less-skilled, less-experienced workers. If the minimum wage is too high, it's uneconomic to take on staff who don't deliver enough value for the business. The reduced rates for young people and apprentices exist to reduce this stifling effect - without them, you'd make it uneconomic for businesses to take a chance on new employees who might need a lot of training or support.

This does of course create a secondary risk of businesses laying off older staff in favour of young people and "apprentices", but I haven't seen any clear evidence that this is a widespread problem.

Re:The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe by krageon on Thursday May 03, 2018 @09:39AM (#16985907)
If you've never seen any evidence of that, you've not looked very hard: This is what every supermarket does for their filler jobs, and to a lesser extent for their till and other store facing jobs as well. If you're over 18, you have to be very lucky to keep your job (or more realistically, to keep being given work) in such a situation.

Outside of supermarkets this sort of practice is also pretty entrenched in a lot of small-medium IT businesses: They have a sizeable portion of their workforce as trainees or whatever (they may be underpaid legally, so they almost always are) and don't hire them after their time is up (ever, as a rule). New trainees are then cycled into the slots that are now vacant.

Re:The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe by pbhjpbhj on Thursday May 03, 2018 @09:03AM (#16985571)
>without them, you'd make it uneconomic

Not uneconomic, but it would impact then in a way that might require reducing profits or flattening wage profiles.

That's not contrary to good management it's contrary to greed.

Re:The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe by k__ on Thursday May 03, 2018 @09:07AM (#16985610)
> it's uneconomic to take on staff who don't deliver enough value

This was the fear people had.

Somehow most people who were paid less that minimum wage delivered enough value.

Only a few companies needed to stop their service.

Re:The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe by MLR on Thursday May 03, 2018 @09:11AM (#16985642)
It's to do with employment rates and avoiding financial damage to small/low margin businesses, there's a commission of some kind that tries to work out the maximum viable level.
Re:The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe by Cthulhu_ on Thursday May 03, 2018 @08:46AM (#16985451)
That's probably based on average years of experience and average / assumed value to the company? I don't know.