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Re:YouTube Stars Being Paid to Sell Academic Cheating by ocdtrekkie on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @02:13PM (#16969693)
It's always intriguing to see how people justify grossly unethical behavior to themselves.

I don't think the issue is your disservice to higher education in general or grade systems as a whole, but to your customers, who never receive the education they were meant to, and that they paid for.

Re:YouTube Stars Being Paid to Sell Academic Cheating by creep on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @04:02PM (#16970932)
Ethics are in the eye of the beholder.
Re:YouTube Stars Being Paid to Sell Academic Cheating by always_good on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @02:26AM (#16974582)
...Something nobody ever said when they were on the receiving end of someone else's poor ethics instead of the one partaking in it.
Re:YouTube Stars Being Paid to Sell Academic Cheating by Retra on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @12:53AM (#16974151)
There's far less variability in the human brain than you imagine; we have a natural tendency to amplify it.
Re:YouTube Stars Being Paid to Sell Academic Cheating by mythrwy on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @01:49AM (#16974400)
I don't believe that.

I do however agree ethics are system dependent.

The effects of unethical behavior on the system are objective however.

Re:YouTube Stars Being Paid to Sell Academic Cheating by sithadmin on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @02:52PM (#16970171)
Many of my customers could barely compose a cogent e-mail. In most cases I was left wondering how they could possibly be admitted at whatever school they were at. Sure, my assessment of my customers was limited to a few back-and-forth e-mail exchanges, but I was usually left with the impression that they were enrolled at a school they didn't 'deserve' to be at.

Further, you're just completely discounting the agency of my customers here. They knew what they were doing, and how it devalued their education experience.

Re:YouTube Stars Being Paid to Sell Academic Cheating by ocdtrekkie on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @02:58PM (#16970236)
I presume they ended up enrolled in that school because there was always a way that money got them out of learning the hard lesson of failure. Case in point that they could pay someone to write papers for them.

Failure is arguably an important part of the process of learning.

Re:YouTube Stars Being Paid to Sell Academic Cheating by creep on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @04:19PM (#16971098)
Failure is the most important part in the process of learning. That statement says nothing about cheating. One could fail at cheating too, and either learn a better way of cheating or learn not to cheat. Both are fine. If you're good at cheating you might be a decent hacker because you might better see the flaws in any seemingly rigid and fixed system. People who break things often find a way to better recreate those things.

There's a thing that happens with loopholes. There's the guy that finds the loophole and tests it out for himself. Then there's the small group that follow him in if it suits their needs, and then word spreads and a good proportion of people also follow. If the loophole threatens the existing system in any way, then the upholders of that system will attempt to barricade the loophole. A few upholders might change the system itself, but that is rare.

The one guy who first used the loophole will always be on the lookout for new loopholes, and there's nothing you can do about it. You can say it's wrong, you can say it's not fair, but it's a fact of life. And by using that loophole that one guy can create change all around him. He can change it himself, or he can open the door for other people to see the change that needs to happen. Maybe it's good to patch the loophole, maybe it's good to change the system in which the loophole was found-- either way, it comes down a great deal to our explorer friend. He learns from failure too, but his goals are different and that's fine.

Re:YouTube Stars Being Paid to Sell Academic Cheating by eponeponepon on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @03:51PM (#16970805)
Sorry, but you can't claim that they both knew exactly what they were doing and that they were (forgive my paraphrasing) too stupid for it to matter.