Not sure what a 64GB _sim_ is? Did you mean a memory card? Or is it some funky US thing I haven't heard about before. Sim cards here have marginal storage at best.

But to the point: Glad to hear that her situation improved when going from a $200 to a $800 phone (or whatever those cost), but I wonder what the story had been if she had gone to a $800 Android instead - with e.g. 128GB of internal storage.

Sounds like you just needed to buy Mom an Android device with decent storage - and/or maybe a "flagship" device that isn't left hung out to dry.

I too have family with shitty Androids. My Mom runs an iPhone 5 that is so far behind she's afraid to update it at this point (holding out for new iPhone) I also have family with flagship Android devices - completely different exp.

Indeed, unfair to compare a "cheap" Android phone with an iPhone. If you spent the same money on an Android phone, it would work better.

I have an Android phone (not a super cheap one, but a modest Moto G, substantially less expensive than an iPhone) and it's trouble-free.

Edit: also, don't get the phone from a carrier. It will be loaded with bloatware, a lot of which you can't remove.

> and/or maybe a "flagship" device that isn't left hung out to dry.

I think you are missing the point there. She's on a fixed income. The iPhone 6 is on contract. When she got it, it was £0 down and £17.99 a month. Compared that to a much higher costs per month for a flagship phone.

Not only that, once the 2 years has been up. She'll just get another contract and an iPhone 8. Rinse and repeat and she'll always have a decent iPhone. It doesn't need to be the best one.

Also, she isn't a power user. A flagship phone is completely wasted on her.

The iPhone 6 was a flasgship device when it was launched. I meant find a comparable Android flagship device.

My aunt bought a 'cheap' iPhone (SE, 16GB, $450) and ran out of storage the first month...

My wife once bought an 8 GB iPhone 4, and regretted it pretty much immediately. That was a horrible experience, and I was stunned that apple would sell such a thing.

So far I've learned it pans out this way for iOS devices:

- 16 GB: the bare minimum for any sort of user. Don't expect to be taking a lot of pictures or use a lot of apps without a lot of storage twiddling.

- 32 GB: fine for regular app use, avoid if you want to take a lot of pictures. I find this to be the sweet spot for coffee table iPads.

- 64 GB: the baseline for people who take a lot of pictures and videos. Anything less and there's too much storage management involved.

The number of people who discover this too late is absurd, and the fact that you can't jam a MicroSD in the iPhone, even if only for photo storage, is still incredibly dumb.

I had a 16GB iPhone 6 for years, and when I went to upgrade to an iPhone 8 recently, I was upset that the 16GB wasn't an option anymore. I have no need for 64GB of storage (the new minimum on the 8), because my phone is a phone, not a computer.

It's because the hardware isn't any cheaper for Apple to have manufactured. They still arbitrarily inflate the prices, which makes it seem like 16gb would be much cheaper to manufacture than 64gb, but that is only a facade.

Yeah I'm sort of boggling at this. I have a 16GB Android phone that I've used for about 2 years, and it's only half full.

Android itself takes up 9GB on my Pixel 2. 4.7GB is taken up by the apps and whatever they are storing (Chrome takes up the most, with 1GB). I also have 4GB in music.

I don't consider myself a heavy storage user but 16GB is a really easy bar to cross.

I've noticed on my iOS devices that the more storage available, even with the same amount of apps and data, more storage is taken up.

I believe it's due to the fact that apps don't clear caches as often if there's plenty of space left.

That would make sense. I believe many apps, including Chrome and Firefox, do the same thing with RAM. If it's there, might as well use it.

Exceedingly difficult these days now that movies, music, photos and videos, and even unused apps can be offloaded to iCloud.

> is 77 > Never heard from her again.

You might want to check up on her to make sure it's just the phone.

LOL, she's fine. I mean't the number of phone related issues.

You want to know something else? I hardly ever use my iPhone and she's become a much better user.

> My time is mission critical, I can't spend 1 hour debugging a phone and talking to someone who just wants to use a device as non-technical as possible as anything complicated with be forgotten.

This is off topic and the stuff of downvotes, but you're not talking about "someone," you're talking about your mother. I value my time as much as the next developer, but I would hope to never be so busy that I can't take an hour to help one of my parents, and I would encourage anyone who feels similarly to consider their priorities if they can't take an hour for a loved one - assuming, of course, that you have a good relationship with your mom.

You are certainly right, but I concur with the author - it's not the time for your mother, it's the valuable time stolen from you and your mother by a device, demanding the regular maintenance.

> but you're not talking about "someone," you're talking about your mother.

You are exactly right. Of course I help her with other issues whenever I can. But when an issue comes up again and again and again and it becomes a contentious issue because of the "phone". Not only that, when relatives from abroad want to communicate and they can't because of an app that is failing. The whole thing becomes a more serious issue. Something had to change.

Now there are no problems. In fact, she does more things with this phone than other before. Like facetime-ing, etc. She says it's just so much easier to use than before.

> She bought cheap phones

I think I found the actual problem.

It's always funny to read these stories because I also got tired of the cheap android phones that filled up instantly. Bought a 400€ Nokia and everything just works meanwhile all my friends iphones have all kinds of problems with the hardware

From your punctuation I presume you're using swiftkey on Android :D

Such. Random. Punctuation.