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Re:A group of techies is using data skills to alter Seattle'... by sokoloff on Friday April 27, 2018 @12:22PM (#16941980)
"Affordable housing" is not good for everyone. If it was, we'd probably already have it.

Existing real property owners have a serious financial incentive to oppose policies that might decrease the value of their property by 25-40% (or more), especially when a plurality of their net worth is tied up in that property.

Re:A group of techies is using data skills to alter Seattle'... by traytonwhite on Friday April 27, 2018 @04:15PM (#16943926)
This argument is so funny because it's true that owners make it, and the owners are narrow-mindedly mistaken. Right now in SF, a developer doesn't know if they'll be able to buy a single family home and replace it with a 3 story multifamily unit - even if the area is zoned for it. Because California doesn't have by right zoning, so anyone can just come along and get the project stopped.

Presumably, if a developer knows they'll be able to do whatever they can that's allowed in the zoning regulations, then the property value should increase even more as a significant risk has been removed.

Re:A group of techies is using data skills to alter Seattle'... by mac01021 on Saturday April 28, 2018 @01:09AM (#16946153)
If there are 1 million such single-family houses, and replacing 200,000 of them with multifamily structures is sufficient to sate all the demand that is driving up costs, then that zoning reform seems like it will reduce the value of 80% of the homes in the area.
Re:A group of techies is using data skills to alter Seattle'... by zanny on Friday April 27, 2018 @07:00PM (#16945094)
Except it is good for everyone. Just not in the same term lengths.

For homeowners, constraining housing supply and ballooning their property values in the immediate sense stalls the economy at multiple layers. Without housing companies cannot attract hires, no hires means limited growth, or companies stop moving to your city. in the US, since this housing epidemic is practically national in scale, it means businesses just stop trying to expand in US markets where its impossible for people to live.

It means people who could otherwise be productive are instead destitute, and in macrospect that trend produces rampant poverty and criminal enterprise to compensate for the lack of legitimate business opportunity.

For every home owner individually the idea of deflating their ludicrous property values sounds bad until they can come to terms with the fact that their collective behavior contributes to diminished or absent growth both locally and nationally. You cannot grow industry on inflated single family home prices in major cities but you can wreck an economy and the lives of millions.

Re:A group of techies is using data skills to alter Seattle'... by pound on Friday April 27, 2018 @04:01PM (#16943831)
"Not good for everyone" as in not good for "existing real property owners"?
Re:A group of techies is using data skills to alter Seattle'... by sokoloff on Friday April 27, 2018 @07:31PM (#16945236)
Given that they are a significant subset of "everyone", yes.
Re:A group of techies is using data skills to alter Seattle'... by 089723645897236 on Friday April 27, 2018 @01:57PM (#16942777)
Yeah but "us" aka normal people who are not capitalists don't care. Every single person who is not a land owning capitalist wants affordable housing. If you can handle post-Marxist thought, a great manifesto called the Housing Monster addresses this. http://prole.info/thm.html
Re:A group of techies is using data skills to alter Seattle'... by elago on Friday April 27, 2018 @05:59PM (#16944793)
Most programmers/coders/software engineers could easily be considered capitalists by this quote from your article:

"X-ray techs can't take X-rays without access to expensive X-ray machines in the hospital, owned by the hospital's shareholders. Cement masons can't lay the foundations for houses without access to expensive concrete mixing trucks. Those of us who don't have property we can make money from are forced to sell our ability to work to a capitalist--we become wage workers. "

Even when I was the most de-humanized corporate drone at the largest company I've ever worked for, all I did was type on a keyboard. And I can easily afford those means of production.

I liked that article, it had great info on the workings of the construction industry, but I can't say I understand what, if any, action it was suggesting as a better alternative to build shelter?

Re:A group of techies is using data skills to alter Seattle'... by mistermann on Friday April 27, 2018 @02:19PM (#16942968)
Please don't disparage capitalism, it has no opinion on affordable housing, only people do. I'm a self-proclaimed capitalist, and affordable housing for ~all should be one of the highest priorities of a functioning society, capitalist or not.
Re:A group of techies is using data skills to alter Seattle'... by sampo on Friday April 27, 2018 @03:24PM (#16943568)
I am sure true capitalists also think that people should be able to build multi-family units on their own land if they so desire. Or to sell their land to the highest bidder.

Restrictive zoning regulations have nothing to do with capitalism or free market economy.