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Re:Two Koreas Agree to End War This Year, Pursue Denucleariz... by lmm on Friday April 27, 2018 @08:20AM (#16940215)
> I can't get past that on a personal level, the decision-makers, in particular Kim Jong Un's family, are responsible for many people's suffering and deaths, which I would think would make them fear too much freedom among the survivors. People hunted Nazis for generations. Wouldn't the North Korean decision-makers fear being hunted?

My own background is Ireland, where the peace deal included an amnesty that has largely been respected. People from the same organisations that killed and tortured now walk the corridors of power joking with each other about who killed who's cousins; plenty of citizens aren't too happy about that, but twenty years of peace beats the alternatives.

Re:Two Koreas Agree to End War This Year, Pursue Denucleariz... by pacaro on Friday April 27, 2018 @10:49AM (#16941147)
Ireland also provides a counterpoint if you look a little further back in history. The Irish civil war didn’t end particularly cleanly and had very long lasting repercussions in modern Irish politics
Re:Two Koreas Agree to End War This Year, Pursue Denucleariz... by stcredzero on Friday April 27, 2018 @12:58PM (#16942312)
The Irish diaspora and its effects are also a valuable though horribly neglected bit of history, which has a direct bearing on the immigration and civil rights crises of today.

Irish immigrant slums in New York and London were once so problematic that police wouldn't go there unless in numbers. There were criminal/terrorist gangs who enacted their own law. The filth was quite notable. In the history, you can find parallels to many of today's issues. Also relevant: In the early 1800's, the typical Irish peasant had only 1/2 to 1/4th the wealth of the contemporaneous US slave!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHr9GRgRw_M

Re:Two Koreas Agree to End War This Year, Pursue Denucleariz... by pjc50 on Friday April 27, 2018 @09:43AM (#16940700)
It has been compared with South Africa, which actually had a "Truth and reconciliation" commission to find out what happened. The approach in Ireland was to simply draw a line under everything instead. Which means that the dismantling of the institutions of injustice that produced the conflict only went so far - reform of RUC into PSNI, but no further into Special Branch or the other security services.
Re:Two Koreas Agree to End War This Year, Pursue Denucleariz... by TeMPOraL on Friday April 27, 2018 @10:09AM (#16940847)
Assuming I understood you correctly, I'd prefer if the "draw a line under everything" approach happened in Poland, wrt. who did or didn't support the socialists during 60s - 80s. It's not even about violence and death, just plain old politics. In the political sphere, for the last 2+ decades everyone has been combing over the archives to find some dirt on everyone else. And the media spammed us with that as well. I wish they'd just forget about that and get on with building the future of the country.
Re:Two Koreas Agree to End War This Year, Pursue Denucleariz... by avn2109 on Friday April 27, 2018 @10:59AM (#16941215)
I'm not disputing your main point, but I do have a relevant sidenote:

Like most politically charged post-regime-change trials, the T&RC in South Africa is widely regarded by knowledgeable parties as mostly a sham/show trial. You can read more about this in e.g. R.W. Johnson's books such as [0].

For context, Johnson is a Rhodes Scholar, self-avowed communist, and longtime ANC sympathizer (since long before '91), which IMHO lends his few critical-of-ANC opinions mainstream credibility.

If you disagree with him for some reason, it's easy to find other observers who fit your political taste to corroborate his claims.

[0] https://www.amazon.com/Long-Will-South-Africa-Survive-ebook/...

Re:Two Koreas Agree to End War This Year, Pursue Denucleariz... by hyperbovine on Friday April 27, 2018 @08:33AM (#16940298)
There was blood on everybody's hands in Ireland though. Hard to make the same case for N. Korea.
Re:Two Koreas Agree to End War This Year, Pursue Denucleariz... by umanwizard on Friday April 27, 2018 @09:12AM (#16940521)
Everyone? I’m pretty sure most people (from both ethnic groups or religions or whatever you want to call them) were civilians...
Re:Two Koreas Agree to End War This Year, Pursue Denucleariz... by hyperbovine on Friday April 27, 2018 @12:42PM (#16942172)
Everyone who participated in the conflict, yes. The IRA and UDA/UFF were both unquestionably guilty of committing atrocities during the Troubles. The North Korean situation is much different -- one-sided persecution of the masses by the ruling class. The GDR would perhaps be a better analogy. It's hard to envision an end to this situation that does not involve Kim Jong Un and thousands of others on the gallows, which is why I absolutely do not believe in the sincerity of these overtures.
Re:Two Koreas Agree to End War This Year, Pursue Denucleariz... by fasj82 on Friday April 27, 2018 @09:07AM (#16940496)
Don't forget about the sanctions.
Re:Two Koreas Agree to End War This Year, Pursue Denucleariz... by throwawaymanbot on Friday April 27, 2018 @09:13AM (#16940522)
Good Point!
Re:Two Koreas Agree to End War This Year, Pursue Denucleariz... by lulwut on Friday April 27, 2018 @09:45AM (#16940710)
LOL WUT? The USA literally ran out of bombing targets because they flattened North Korea during the war.
Re:Two Koreas Agree to End War This Year, Pursue Denucleariz... by dang on Friday April 27, 2018 @07:45PM (#16945292)
There's a point here, but please don't make it this way, i.e. in the internet trolling style. It guarantees worse discussion.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html