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Re:High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads... by ams6110 on Thursday April 26, 2018 @08:21PM (#16937361)
Roofing (and drywall as well) are not really what I would call "trades." They are basically grunt work jobs that require a minimum of skill and training. Most of the guys I've met who do that work are either very young, illegal, or so screwed up on alcohol or drugs that they can't do much else.
Re:High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads... by nitrogen on Friday April 27, 2018 @02:47AM (#16938866)
A relative has been a roofer for most of his working life (maybe all), which is very long now. There's a talent to it -- a skilled roofer will provide a roof that never leaks, never sags, never loses a shingle to the wind. This relative is such a roofer. It's awful work and he's had multiple serious injuries, but it's still possible to be really good at it.
Re:High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads... by megaman22 on Thursday April 26, 2018 @11:03PM (#16938178)
There's a bit of an art to finishing off drywall and mudding it in to make everything smooth and nice-looking. The difference between somebody who is good at it and amateur work is significant.
Re:High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads... by lsiunsuex on Friday April 27, 2018 @07:21AM (#16939872)
This.

As a DIYer for 8 years 'ish, mudding drywall is an art. Where it might take me 4 or 5 (or 6) to get a good finish on joints or corners, it might take a pro 1 or 2 coats and very minimal if not none sanding in between. Primer and 2 coats of paint won't fill in imperfections greater then an 1/16th in diameter so if you have a lot of imperfections, you'll see it in the finished product.

Let's not even discuss mudding ceilings. The amount of upper body strength needed is amazing, let alone good balance on a ladder.

Re:High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads... by Moto7451 on Friday April 27, 2018 @08:57AM (#16940435)
Yup, just because something can be done by a "grunt" does not mean that there isn't skill required to do it well. My girlfriend just moved into a house that can be best described as "the victim of a flip" and you can immediately see the difference between work was done by a pro and someone who is just banging on the keys.
Re:High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads... by fouc on Friday April 27, 2018 @09:21AM (#16940575)
When my dad & I built a house together. We outsourced the drywall and indoor paint job. Drywall is serious detail work, takes too long to get it right if you haven't done it a bunch.