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Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by forkerenok on Thursday April 26, 2018 @05:24PM (#16935952)
Does this kind of stuff damage CEO's reputation in the job market? I'm trying to grasp what was at stake that made the executive(s) withhold publicizing the breach...
Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by gkoberger on Thursday April 26, 2018 @05:42PM (#16936126)
Not to get too cynical, but... it shows loyalty. A CEO that presided over a security breach, kept it as quiet as possible, and only cost the company $35MM. Like it or not, his job is to protect the company, not the users.

Compared to, say, Zuckerberg or Equifax's public raking over the coals.

Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by leggomylibro on Thursday April 26, 2018 @05:49PM (#16936185)
>A CEO that presided over a security breach, kept it as quiet as possible, and only cost the company $35MM. Like it or not, his job is to protect the company, not the users.

Sorry to be pedantic but it'd be 'her job', in this case - Marissa Mayer was CEO at the time.

Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by gkoberger on Thursday April 26, 2018 @06:14PM (#16936406)
I wasn't sure which to say. Marissa was CEO at the time of the breach, and Tim Armstrong is CEO now.

She testified and took a lot of the blame, whereas the fine happened under Tim Armstrong. I figured I'd go with the latter since that's when the fine came down, but I think both deserve credit (good or bad).

Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by allannienhuis on Thursday April 26, 2018 @09:27PM (#16937734)
'they' is a useful gender-agnostic singular pronoun when you're not sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by DmenshunlAnlsis on Thursday April 26, 2018 @09:31PM (#16937752)
English is not my first language, so forgive my asking, but isn’t that sort of uncomfortable to use? Looking at the examples given, they’re all PA announcements or something similarly detatched. It also seems easy to confuse with the plural. What’s the point of decreasing the clarity and utility of language for the sake of a percent of a percent who might be bothered?
Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by allannienhuis on Thursday April 26, 2018 @09:39PM (#16937814)
English is my first language, and I think it sounds fine:

> A CEO ... . Like it or not, their job is to protect the company, not the users.

It wouldn't sound as correct if the subject was a specific person. In that case the gender-specific pronoun would be better.

> Marissa Mayer, as CEO ... . Like it or not, her job is to protect the company, not the users.

Even so, use of 'their' in the latter example would still be acceptable, if a little odd, because it's referring more to the role than the person (I think).

[edit] for what it's worth, I think you're overwhelming underestimating the percentage of people who think more gender-inclusive language is a useful thing.

That said, I didn't suggest the option because I was trying to make that point, I suggested it because the parent was dealing with a situation (unsure of gender of the CEO) where use of the singular they is really effective.

Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by stordoff on Thursday April 26, 2018 @10:30PM (#16938031)
It's commonly used, at least in the UK, in informal speech even where the intent isn't to be gender-neutral, so it doesn't feel uncomfortable to use at all.
Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by ams6110 on Thursday April 26, 2018 @11:06PM (#16938189)
Yes, singular "they" is confusing and incorrect. "He" is gender neutral in that context.
Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by zimpenfish on Friday April 27, 2018 @05:36AM (#16939513)
Might I suggest you consult with professional linguists and grammarians on this topic? They will soon disabuse you of this prescriptivist nonsense about 'singular they'.
Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by icelancer on Friday April 27, 2018 @04:50AM (#16939330)
No, it isn't. Gender neutral / non-binary people exist, and "he" is not the correct term.
Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by DmenshunlAnlsis on Monday April 30, 2018 @01:42PM (#16960626)
They exist and should be respected, but represent a tiny minority. Changing pronouns for everyone to please that fraction of the population seems silly unless you’re addressing that fraction.
Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by allannienhuis on Friday April 27, 2018 @10:38AM (#16941060)
Language has always changed with time. The singular they is very well accepted today and has been for decades in most English speaking cultures. I find it interesting that some people seem to find it necessary to defend the older forms - not sure what purpose that serves.
Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by gyaru on Friday April 27, 2018 @05:19AM (#16939445)
No? "They" is not incorrect nor is it even confusing to understand at all?
Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by utopcell on Thursday April 26, 2018 @09:49PM (#16937853)
Tim Armstrong is not associated with Altaba in any form, so the fine did not happen under him.
Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by spydum on Thursday April 26, 2018 @07:20PM (#16936899)
It could potentially cost far more- the $35MM is just the SEC fine, they could still be subject to other actions by differing agencies. Whether that can or will actually happen? Who knows..

but in any case, yahoo is already effectively dead, so this is pretty meaningless imho

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Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by gkoberger on Thursday April 26, 2018 @08:28PM (#16937398)
The CEO of Yahoo at the time of the fine is a male.
Re:SEC Penalizes Yahoo $35M for Massive, Undisclosed Cyber T... by utopcell on Thursday April 26, 2018 @09:50PM (#16937858)
Who is the current CEO of Altaba ?