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Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by test6554 on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @02:57PM (#16924853)
I'm surprised nobody is considering a family unit consisting of three equal (adult) partners rather than the standard two-adult nuclear family. Two workers and one homemaker could cover all the bills and allow for the care of the home and children.

Given the financial circumstances many Americans are living in, I can't imagine nobody's thought of it.

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by woolvalley on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:02PM (#16924909)
It's the room mate problem. That arrangement is usually 2 adults & grandma, which creates an entire new bunch of problems.

The other alternative is to have someone live rent free in exchange for doing the household chores, also known as a live in maid. That is like living with a room mate as a couple, not the most fun.

You used to be able to live on one income in america with just a high school education and buying a house in your early 20s. Not so much anymore.

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by isostatic on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @08:24PM (#16927738)
When women started having careers that lasted a lifetime, costs increased. Initially those dual income families had lots of money and could buy fancier things, but then prices (specifically housing) increased to meet what could afford to be spent.

And now we're in a state where you have to have two parents working, and outsource upbringing the kids.

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by test6554 on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:07PM (#16924948)
I'm not talking about a platonic relationship. I'm talking about a family with 3 equal intimate partners. It's clearly not for everyone, but there is a massive financial advantage for those who could live like that.
Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by emodendroket on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:55PM (#16925403)
You're surprised people don't want to become bigamists so that they can save money on rent?
Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by test6554 on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @06:12PM (#16926770)
I'd be surprised if people don't want to [insert anything here] so that they can save money on rent.

For every crazy thought that has ever passed through my head, there's a headline about someone from Florida doing that exact thing, except taking it to another level.

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by crooked-v on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:14PM (#16925005)
Relationships are already hard enough to maintain with two people.
Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by test6554 on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:19PM (#16925065)
I'm not saying people should rush to do this even if they aren't comfortable with it. I'm saying that whoever is comfortable with it will have a huge financial advantage over a struggling two adult family.
Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by mooreds on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:43PM (#16925298)
This reminds me of the 'line marriage' from The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moon_Is_a_Harsh_Mistress

Have wondered if there is an economically and romantically viable successor to modern marriage.

I can tell you as a participant in a two person marriage that I'm not sure it would work for me, but can imagine the benefits.

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by moate on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:15PM (#16925025)
So polygamy? People have thought about it. It's uncommon because it involves deeply involved and complex relationships with 2 people, when many people can barely handle that with one (see: the divorce rates around the world).
Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by freeflight on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:23PM (#16925107)
> see: the divorce rates around the world

That could just as well be evidence for formal marriage not being easily sustainable.

A formal marriage comes with its own pros and cons compared to other relationship types, as such I don't think you can use divorce numbers as evidence for intimate relationships being difficult in general.

The rise in divorce rates and the decrease in marriages could just as well be interpreted as formal marriage being perceived as too difficult of a relationship type to sustain, so people are increasingly opting for alternative types instead.

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by moate on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:32PM (#16925203)
I think as evidence to the idea that sustaining a romantic relationship is difficult, divorce rates provide some backing.

They're not the Alpha and Omega on the matter, but it clearly shows that A- The people were attempting to create and sustain a long term romantic relationship and B- They were unable to do so for some reasons.

It could be a correlation and not causation thing as well though. I think it's difficult to provide anything truly concrete showing that intimate relationships are difficult to maintain using statistics. Much like the original article, there's just far too many moving parts (cultural expectations, communication skills differences, personal traumas, trust building, etc) that play into the equation.

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by emodendroket on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @04:06PM (#16925518)
I can't see how adding an additional person would solve the big stressors on failed marriages -- money, child-rearing, different values/desires. If anything those issues would be worse. Maybe it would reduce infidelity, or trouble accepting the same.
Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by freeflight on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @04:32PM (#16925791)
Imho you add an additional problem by formalizing the relationship through marriage.

With that comes a ton of expectations and pressure, internally inside the relationship, and externally from society.

These are not present to the same degree with less formal relationships because the stakes are generally considered not as high because there's no formal divorce to go through if it shouldn't work out.

Thus married couples might be more likely to suffer from "performance anxiety" in their relationship compared to less formal relationships.

Different values/desires will always be an issue, but if two people can agree on those, why shouldn't three people be able to? The only reason some are so opposed to this idea is due to old religious stigma enforcing the idea that we have to be monogamous no matter what.

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by emodendroket on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @04:34PM (#16925815)
By the time you're making decisions like buying a house or having children you cannot treat the relationship that informally anyway.

As for the last question: because the more people you add the more mutually incompatible desires are in the picture.

If there's nothing but religious stigma at work, why aren't the Mormons still polygamists? (there are exceptions but I think we can round them off for the purposes of this discussion)

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by freeflight on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @05:22PM (#16926304)
> By the time you're making decisions like buying a house or having children you cannot treat the relationship that informally anyway.

You can still treat it less formally than if it'd be an actual formalized relationship.

A lot of this boils down to societal expectations and norms which are not set in stone, but rather constantly evolving. The nuclear family, with their own house and dog, used to be ideal but at this point, it's a pretty outdated ideal that doesn't work with current economics, thus alternatives might be more viable.

I'm also not convinced that adding more people to a relationship inevitably will make it more difficult no matter what. People are way too individual for that to universally hold true and there's plenty of historical and modern examples of non-monogamous relationships as counter-examples.

> If there's nothing but religious stigma at work, why aren't the Mormons still polygamists? (there are exceptions but I think we can round them off for the purposes of this discussion

Because afaik there are still US states with laws banning polygamy? These are societal norms in large parts formed based on religious dogma, they ain't some "natural law" that can't be broken or changed, just like the nuclear family ain't necessarily the ultimate smallest societal unit.

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by emodendroket on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @07:36PM (#16927446)
> You can still treat it less formally than if it'd be an actual formalized relationship.

You can, but it is not wise.

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by Pinckney on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @10:46PM (#16928408)
>If there's nothing but religious stigma at work, why aren't the Mormons still polygamists?

The Federal government gave them hell about it, going so far as to seize any assets of the LDS church. Utah wouldn't have been granted statehood if they hadn't condemned it.

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by nostromo on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:20PM (#16925081)
No need for polyamory... in many parts of the world extended families live together for the exact benefits you mention. (For example, grandparents can watch the kids while the parents are working.)

I think a number of our problems in America could be resolved if we had less social atomization.

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by castlecrasher2 on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @04:06PM (#16925516)
You're surprised polyamory isn't more widely accepted by a nation that until only very recently defined marriage as strictly between a man and a woman? And even when that changed, still only between two individuals?
Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by logfromblammo on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @04:28PM (#16925755)
Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress had a few different concepts for non-traditional marriages.

The protagonist's arrangement was a "line marriage", wherein the family partnership would marry in younger people at regular intervals to maintain approximate male-female parity and to keep property continuity as the older partners died off. At one point in the book, it was considered a big deal when an adult child of an older couple in the line marriage married back into it as a spouse.

There was also a "group marriage" which sounded a bit like everyone in your high school graduating class marrying each other, or like a cross between a marriage and a tontine.

In case of divorce, the remaining spouses would keep all the real property and the separating spouse would be paid off with cash. But divorce required unanimous approval, either of all the other spouses or all the spouses of the opposite sex, depending on how the thing was originally set up.

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by SketchySeaBeast on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:45PM (#16925311)
Things were more affordable 50 years ago when there was a single parent working, then the precedent shifted to two parents and the cost of living adjusted accordingly. I don't see any reason that that wouldn't happen again in this case - to keep up you'd need to steadily increase the number of workers until you're an ant colony.
Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by egypturnash on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:12PM (#16924983)
When I was in a poly triad the numbers worked pretty well. No kids made it even more affordable; we were free to have one person do part-time stuff in the field they wanted to be in rather than the one they ended up in.
Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by refurb on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @04:18PM (#16925628)
Right, and then the same thing would happen when households went from one income earner to two, households have more money to spend on housing, so housing prices go up.

Right back in the same place you were.

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by tobyhinloopen on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:00PM (#16924880)
Are you suggesting 3-person “marriage”? Polygamy? That is evil! Only the devil marries multiple people! /s

Ill ask my GF if I can look for a 2nd (working) lady to cover some financial issues

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by bawigga on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @04:00PM (#16925450)
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Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by test6554 on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:05PM (#16924932)
Yes, but obviously not legally married as that is not currently possible.
Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by logfromblammo on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @04:38PM (#16925860)
In which case the obvious solution is to incorporate the family and write the articles and by-laws like a pre-nup.

Some use of the civil marriage system might also be required to realize a subset of the benefits enjoyed by traditional marriage partners.

Re:Stuck: Why the rent and mortgage-burdened don’t always mo... by clairity on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @05:04PM (#16926153)
intriguing, as others have pointed out, a variation of that is extended families living together or nearby.

many cultures have this built into their housing, e.g., chinese siheyuan or roman domus. these courtyard houses can accommodate such arrangements without literally living with each other. you can even stack them and share the courtyard among multiple families (one on each side of the courtyard), for denser neighborhoods.