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Re:Tech workers who are engineering a mid-30s retirement by ssalazars on Monday April 23, 2018 @02:19PM (#16905985)
> "Daniel Imberman, a 26-year-old software engineer, drifts toward this pole, though he rejects the FIRE label (“sounds like classic tech-douche”). His target is $15 million."

How long do you think it'll take him to reach his goal? He talks about starting a start-up, selling or profiting, but all of that take a lot of work. And even then there's no guarantee his plan will work.

Saving 15M will probably take a developer anywhere from 10-20 years? Or am I very wrong?

Re:Tech workers who are engineering a mid-30s retirement by stellar678 on Monday April 23, 2018 @02:57PM (#16906351)
It's very far off. You would either need seriously over-performing investments or some kind of exit.

I ran the numbers for a simple scenario, assuming a current $150k income:

- With a 5% yearly raise and a 7% investment return, you end up with ~$3.8M at 20 years.

- With a 5% yearly raise and a 20% investment return, you end up with ~$14.5M at 20 years.

That 5% yearly raise would have you earning almost $400k at the end of 20 years too - probably up for debate how likely that is.

Re:Tech workers who are engineering a mid-30s retirement by ryandrake on Monday April 23, 2018 @08:44PM (#16908884)
What savings rate do you assume there? I agree the savings goal is very difficult even with ridiculously favorable assumptions! I’ve never heard of 5% yearly raises outside of the first 5-10 years of someone’s career. You’re lucky to get raises that approach inflation. And that 7% investment gain is average only if you have a very risky all-equities asset allocation the whole time you are saving. 20%? LOL.

I don’t think most people’s “retire early” savings plans/goals can survive initial contact with reality.

Re:Tech workers who are engineering a mid-30s retirement by otoburb on Monday April 23, 2018 @02:21PM (#16906013)
>>Like many other aspiring early retirees, Daniel also made lucky investments in cryptocurrency. “The crypto lottery forwarded my timetable by five, ten years.”

He also got very lucky.

Assuming no cryptocurrency optionality, even if it took him up to 25 years to diligently save and invest, ceteris paribus he would still be able to retire around age 50. The only catch is that family formation can be quite expensive unless you get extremely lucky and find a life-long partner who shares the same frugal mentality.

Finding said partner is much, much harder than it sounds.

Re:Tech workers who are engineering a mid-30s retirement by bradlys on Monday April 23, 2018 @02:43PM (#16906237)
I get that some developers at big companies make $600k+/yr but saving $15,000,000 over even 25 years requires putting away 15m/25 => $600k/yr. That's net income to be put away too. So, really you're probably making $1m/yr. I get you'll see return on investment over those 25 years but we're talking true 1% income regardless - which most software devs will never get near. (Even most in the bay area)
Re:Tech workers who are engineering a mid-30s retirement by dgacmu on Monday April 23, 2018 @05:46PM (#16907751)
You're way undercounting the effects of growth. It's 342k/year saved at 8% growth: http://www.angio.net/finance/calc.html

(See the one for regular contribution required for target).

8% before inflation is reasonable historically for 25 years.

You still need a 400k+ salary to do it, but that's not out of reach in the Bay area, particularly for a couple.

Re:Tech workers who are engineering a mid-30s retirement by bradlys on Monday April 23, 2018 @06:21PM (#16908024)
Over $600k yearly comp required still. Tax on $600k income puts you near $330k in California.

https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-paycheck-calculator#...

Re:Tech workers who are engineering a mid-30s retirement by jpeg_hero on Monday April 23, 2018 @06:54PM (#16908220)
Yeah that guy is a nutter. There is absolutely no way to bank $15m after-tax in a continuous risk-risk free manner.

And his plan does contain banking a 46x return on his yet unconceived start-up ($500k -> $23m is 46x, Minus 35% for taxes in CA)

This is a discontinuous event. This is not “fat FIRE.” This is called trying to spike it and get rich, like everybody else in this town.