Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by adriand on Monday April 23, 2018 @06:32AM
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You should never mislead a potential investor. Why would you want an investor who is misaligned with your core technology/strategic direction?
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Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by JepZ on Monday April 23, 2018 @07:39AM
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Well, nobody wants a misaligned investor. But I had the impression the negotiations already failed, because one buzzword could not be satisfied. My comment was meant more as advice to overcome such problematic situations during negotiations, than to mislead someone about what you are actually doing.
Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by carlmr on Monday April 23, 2018 @10:18AM
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I remember every dishwasher and washing machine had "fuzzy logic" in the 90s (at least according to stickers). Just because it was the AI/ML/Deep Learning/Big Data/IoT of the time.
No, fuzzy logic won't make your washing machine better. Yes, you can implement some stuff in fuzzy logic.
Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by TallGuyShort on Monday April 23, 2018 @06:19PM
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I don't remember this from the 90's very well, so I read the wikipedia page. I saw the following diagram and wondered how many washing machines and dishwasher's considered themselves to use fuzzy logic because they simply kept track of the temperature instead of just being in hot / cold states: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_logic#/media/File:Fuzzy_....
Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by logfromblammo on Monday April 23, 2018 @05:34PM
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We wouldn't have this problem if civilization didn't continue to give so much money to the ID-10(t) class of investors.
Ideally, people that do nothing but tick off boxes in their mental buzzword checklists should not even be allowed to attend the pitches, and thereby waste other people's time by forcing them to hack around the unrepentant ignorance. But they that have the gold, make the rules.
Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by Traubenfuchs on Monday April 23, 2018 @07:11AM
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$$$
Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by purerandomness on Monday April 23, 2018 @09:40AM
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How is this misleading?
Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by giantsloth on Monday April 23, 2018 @08:35AM
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This is a quaint sentiment, but marketing, sales, PR is all about misleading and creating unnecessary want. This is a major tenant of running a business and living under capitalism. There is also a moral argument for doing what you need to do in order to survive the difficulties of the market in order to survive it and change it into something more akin to your honest attitude about it.
Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by chongli on Monday April 23, 2018 @09:11AM
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I think you'll find that a lot of stem people tend to lean Kantian in their ethics. This implies that misleading people for any reason -- even "for their own good" -- is frowned upon.
Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by EGreg on Monday April 23, 2018 @02:03PM
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I am not sure the Categorical Imperative rules out misleading people for their own good. If a win win result is highly likely the categorical imperative says it’s OK if you do it because if the whole world did it, things would become better!
Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by chongli on Monday April 23, 2018 @03:08PM
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No, it's still using people as a means to an end. It's even wrong to lie to the murderer at the door. Kant himself addressed this in an essay titled: On The Supposed Right To Lie From Altruistic Motives[1].
[1] https://www.unc.edu/courses/2009spring/plcy/240/001/Kant.pdf
Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by gowld on Monday April 23, 2018 @04:10PM
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Being Kantian doesn't mean being correct. It's not that hard to disagree with Kant's extreme hypothetical.
Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by EGreg on Monday April 23, 2018 @04:05PM
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Yes I am aware, however the categorical imperative by itself does not seem to rule out such lying.
“Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law.” — Immanuel Kant, Grounding for the Metaphysics of Morals
Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by ric2b on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @02:49PM
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But it's even better in the long run if inefficient companies consistently lose to the better ones, since it will lead to better allocation of capital.
Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by DataWorker on Monday April 23, 2018 @10:03AM
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He did say marketing, sales and PR but your point still stands.
Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by chongli on Monday April 23, 2018 @10:53AM
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I was referring to marketing, sales, and PR as activities moreso than the people who work in those fields. I can't speak for all stem people, of course, but I, personally, have a strong aversion to those activities.
Re:You probably don't need AI/ML. You can make do with well ...
by jimbokun on Monday April 23, 2018 @05:34PM
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"There is also a moral argument for doing what you need to do in order to survive the difficulties of the market in order to survive it and change it into something more akin to your honest attitude about it."
There's really not, but it might make you feel better to think there is.