I founded Happy Cow Milk to make a difference in dairying. I failed

Re:I founded Happy Cow Milk to make a difference in dairying... by chrissnell on Sunday April 22, 2018 @02:23PM (#16897630)

Here in small-town Kansas, we buy our milk at the supermarket. You can choose from the store brand in plastic or a local dairy, Hildebrand Farms, in glass jars. If you go with the local stuff, you pay a $3 deposit on the bottle. It's a strong incentive to return them. We wait until we have four or five jars and return them in a batch. The milk is fantastic and I've toured their dairy so I know what I'm getting and where it came from.

http://hildebrandfarmsdairy.com

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Re:I founded Happy Cow Milk to make a difference in dairying... by SllX on Sunday April 22, 2018 @02:56PM (#16897837)

Here in the Bay Area we also have Strauss Family Creamery. I massively cut down on the amount of dairy that I consume a few years ago, but before that I would buy Strauss and it would be a similar deposit, about $2.50 if I recall correctly.

You can read about their sustainability practices here.[0]

I am pretty happy to here there are similar creameries around the country. Certainly there are some advantages to interstate Trade for many classes of products, but there's little reason not to be able to source things like good milk locally, cutting down on transport costs and energy expenditure.

[0] https://www.strausfamilycreamery.com/mission-practices/susta...

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Re:I founded Happy Cow Milk to make a difference in dairying... by oldmanpants on Sunday April 22, 2018 @03:00PM (#16897859)

Here in small-town BC, I buy local milk at a chain grocery store in glass bottles with a 2 dollar deposit. the clean empties can be returned at the checkout when buying your groceries. the milk is great and the bottle process works.

I think it's mostly the other (more expensive, and 'radical' changes to the milking process) challenges to do with keeping the cows with the calfs that were what killed this attempt.

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Re:I founded Happy Cow Milk to make a difference in dairying... by jimmaswell on Sunday April 22, 2018 @03:30PM (#16898039)

Interesting, I've never seen a deposit above 10 cents myself.

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Re:I founded Happy Cow Milk to make a difference in dairying... by atomical on Sunday April 22, 2018 @02:33PM (#16897697)

That implies that if you don't know that it's dangerous. That may not be the case because milk naturally contains hormones that can effect the endocrine system.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/

> In summary, it seems that steroid hormones are very potent compounds in dairy foods, which exerting profound biological effects in animals and humans. Most of the previous knowledge about the steroids is according on their physiologic and sometimes supra-physiologic concentrations of steroids but recently it is found that these compounds even at very low doses may have significant biological effects.

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Re:I founded Happy Cow Milk to make a difference in dairying... by allannienhuis on Sunday April 22, 2018 @03:31PM (#16898048)

Not sure how your'e making the jump from bottled milk to hormones in milk.

That said, hormones in dairy products are a real issue. It's illegal to use hormones in Dairy Cows in Canada, and when antibiotics are necessary for treatment of sick cows, their milk is discarded until it tests clean. Diary products typically cost more in Canada than the U.S. as a result, but I don't mind paying for the extra safety.

https://bcdairy.ca/milk/articles/does-milk-contain-growth-ho...

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Re:I founded Happy Cow Milk to make a difference in dairying... by betterbeehome on Sunday April 22, 2018 @04:57PM (#16898531)

"That may not be the case because milk naturally contains hormones that can effect the endocrine system."

NATURALLY CONTAINS HORMONES. This isn't about added hormones for growth. But the fact it contains natural hormones which grow baby cows as fast as possible. Basically, unless you're a calf, you shouldn't drink milk. I'm less sure about processed milk products (butter, hard cheeses, etc)

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Re:I founded Happy Cow Milk to make a difference in dairying... by atomical on Monday April 23, 2018 @11:06AM (#16904017)

Do the cows know it's illegal to put hormones in milk? They don't seem to be respecting our laws.

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Re:I founded Happy Cow Milk to make a difference in dairying... by allannienhuis on Monday April 23, 2018 @07:00PM (#16908263)

fair comment about existing hormones. Adding the modifier 'added' makes my statement more accurate, but misses the criticism of drinking milk at all due to the inherent levels of hormones. I am biased to assume the concern was about added hormones because it's a specific problem addressed by Canadian laws.

That said, if you think the science supports the case for limiting oestrogen intake in our diets, a practical step might be to lobby for limits to the use of those hormones in dairy production (like most other western countries) as a first step. Trying to somehow have people stop consuming dairy products seems like a much larger hurdle, limiting it's effectiveness in actually reducing consumption of those hormones.

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Re:I founded Happy Cow Milk to make a difference in dairying... by phkahler on Sunday April 22, 2018 @02:56PM (#16897836)

What implies that what is dangerous? There's seems to be some background needed to understand your comment.

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Re:I founded Happy Cow Milk to make a difference in dairying... by atomical on Monday April 23, 2018 @11:07AM (#16904022)

Read the article I posted and you'll know.

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