Please don't forget the treasure trove of data Apple gets via iCloud services, which rival Googles if you're invested in their ecosystem - contacts, calendars, emails, location (Find my phone), all application data (backups), etc.

They don't also fully encrypt all of that information and give it to government on request.

Exactly and little transparency from Apple on what they collect and not dashboard like Google to delete or download.

The issue with Apple is transparency. I want a dashboard like Google provides to see what they are collecting, let me delete and download like Google does.

Both companies have basically the same terms with privacy.

https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ Legal - Privacy Policy - Apple

I believe Apple is adding something like this to iCloud fairly soon, as part of GDPR preparations.

Man I hope you are correct. I love google having all my devices with apps and permissions granted all in one place. I hope Apple copies exactly. Plus finally disclose what they are collecting and able to remove and download like Google.

Here you go: https://www.computerworld.com/article/3268826/mobile-wireles...

Thanks for the link! But I am in the US? Will Apple be transparent in the US like Google is?

More than anything I just want to be able to remove what Apple has on me as I want all my data in a single place when possible.

So I share my location with my family with Google Maps and do NOT want my location also to be at Apple for example.

But Apple is the worse like this. They are far less transparent than Google and that bugs me about Apple.

Plus considering Apple gave all their users data over to the China government versus Google fought the China government Apple has a horrible record with privacy and looks for a buck will give up your data.

I don't have problem if a company collects usage information. End of the day, they need it to improve the product. But for fuck's sake, DON'T sell it to others to increase revenue. Just use it for product development.

This is my problem too and they seem to be getting more bold. For example YouTube TV is $45 a month and you will still be hit with targeted commercials based on this accumulated data. For free services I'm kinda ok with it but if your paying? Not ok and not so entitled to expect separation.

It's a luxury they can afford by being a vision and design centric company. They don't cater to demand, they create it.

By being quite generic and broad in their targeting themselves, they can get away with just collecting non personal "OS data", and they do it since the 80s.

Their biggest enemy are companies that create an easier market for developers and businesses by passing down data that those businesses can use to reach users. FB getting into hardware (they will be a future competitor with AR) is possibly causing them sleepless nights.