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Re:Review: Purism Librem13 laptop by nookoking on Sunday April 22, 2018 @10:12AM (#16896235)
I'm surprised at this entire comment thread.

> Dual core is pretty weak

> I had 16 GB of ram in 2010 and it was not even a top computer at the time

> It has 16G of ram and a very recent 3.10GHz Intel CPU. What are you doing on your laptops? This is a deeecent laptop

What exactly are all of you people doing with your laptops? I'm running an old W500 Thinkpad at 2.8Ghz dual-core, 4GB DDR2, and a 500GB HDD. The only times this machine has struggled was when I was using a memory-leaking software (Firefox, etc.) or one that tried to load a whole large file into memory instead of chunks.

If I need to work with heavy graphics I can stick an eGPU into the PCI express or an FPGA if I'm doing specialized calculations.

But besides that, I don't understand why anyone needs all this gear.

Re:Review: Purism Librem13 laptop by 0xcde4c3db on Sunday April 22, 2018 @10:27AM (#16896298)
> What exactly are all of you people doing with your laptops?

C/C++ project builds. Losing two cores just about doubles build times, and template-heavy C++ code makes the compiler want gigs of RAM all to itself. In principle I should do this on a desktop or server, but IT isn't on board with that.

Re:Review: Purism Librem13 laptop by nookoking on Sunday April 22, 2018 @10:35AM (#16896327)
I have to agree with the other poster on this. I only full compile once in the beginning and once at the end. Every other time, I just recompile the changed part and rebuild it with the unchanged object files.

But if you're talking about packages from source, then I agree. It's the one thing that sometimes makes me question whether or not I should upgrade. But, after a full night of compiling Qt5 from source, that lingering doubt usually vanishes.

Re:Review: Purism Librem13 laptop by gkya on Sunday April 22, 2018 @10:32AM (#16896319)
Do you do full recompilations all the time? Don't you use incremental builds? If yes, the compilation time should only rarely be a problem. But reading people's comments I feel like there are many projects out there using a shell script like "gcc -c a.cpp; gcc -c b.cpp; ...; gcc -o prog *.o" out there.
Re:Review: Purism Librem13 laptop by nine_k on Sunday April 22, 2018 @10:51AM (#16896398)
Changing something closer to the root of a large dependency tree triggers a lot of recompilation. The lack of real modules and reliance of `#include` in C++ makes dependency graphs larger than they could be.
Re:Review: Purism Librem13 laptop by gkya on Sunday April 22, 2018 @05:33PM (#16898723)
Not necessarily. Say I'm editing "bob.cc", and in the mean time edited "common.h" #included by many many files. While I'm editing "bob.cc", there is no need for me to rebuild the entire project until I want to see how it links to everything else (which can be postponed quite a bit if you have some tests); so I either run "make bob.cc" or "make test_bob.cc && ./test_bob". I don't know much C++ and all this is theoretical, but I think this is the ideal workflow with C/C++ development, and this is why incremental builds are useful, especially if the code is nicely separated into testable units.
Re:Review: Purism Librem13 laptop by 0xcde4c3db on Sunday April 22, 2018 @10:53AM (#16896405)
Not full recompilations, but when we're working on a feature release, switching git branches routinely requires a lot of files to be rebuilt due to header changes.
Re:Review: Purism Librem13 laptop by craftyguy on Sunday April 22, 2018 @02:06PM (#16897504)
ccache is your friend.
Re:Review: Purism Librem13 laptop by munin on Sunday April 22, 2018 @11:21AM (#16896534)
When you use templates, recompiling a single file can take ten minutes.
Re:Review: Purism Librem13 laptop by gkya on Sunday April 22, 2018 @11:36AM (#16896593)
Is there an open source project where I can test this? I don't know much about C++ (I know some C), and would like to see this for myself.
Re:Review: Purism Librem13 laptop by opencl on Sunday April 22, 2018 @09:20PM (#16899809)
Why are you using a fancy 2.8Ghz dual-core machine when you could be using a netbook from 2008 with a 1.6Ghz Atom and 512MB of RAM?

Is it that strange that people have different use cases from you? Plenty of things peg the CPU at 100% for extended periods of time: video encodes, 3D renders, building code, slicing for 3D printers, etc. Certainly I could do my work on a dual core machine, and I did until a few months ago, but there are competing machines that are cheaper and offer twice the performance. Why would you not want a quad core CPU when they are the exact same price as the old dual core models?

Re:Review: Purism Librem13 laptop by PascLeRasc on Sunday April 22, 2018 @11:19AM (#16896527)
At my webdev gig last year I used a 2008 24" iMac with a Core2 Duo and 4gb of RAM and it worked perfectly once I put in a request for a 250gb SSD. The only time it choked up was using ImageOptim on a ton of images, and that could always be offloaded to a server. I think computers are lasting a lot longer than they used to.
Re:Review: Purism Librem13 laptop by major505 on Sunday April 22, 2018 @11:02AM (#16896447)
I usualy work with at least 8gb RAM.

Linux is not very demanding of memory, but sometimes, I have to maintain legacy code writen in C#, so I use virtualbox with win7, visual studio, with is demanding for the memory.

Outside that, 4gb is survivable using Linux.