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Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by baddox on Sunday April 22, 2018 @04:15AM (#16895237)
I just picked up a Chromecast (I got the Ultra). On one hand, I like the phone controls for the convenience of queueing up some random YouTube videos while I’m lounging around the apartment or doing chores. On the other hand, the phone-only controls can be inconvenient for more attentive viewing (like a movie or TV show) because all actions require unlocking my phone and opening the app that’s casting the video. This is particularly inconvenient when I receive a phone call, since there’s no way to quickly pause.
Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by scarface74 on Sunday April 22, 2018 @08:12AM (#16895838)
I can't see any purpose of a Chromecast over a Roku stick. You still get the ability to cast YouTube videos to it just like the Chromecast (from the iOS or Android app). I think you can mirror an Android phone to it. You can use it as a second monitor from Windows. It also has private listening where you can listen to the audio using your phone while watching on your TV.

It has native apps for almost everything.

Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by ajross on Sunday April 22, 2018 @09:56AM (#16896177)
Chromecast has better integration with the Android ecosystem on the whole. With most apps that play video (a BIG notable exception being Amazon's video service) you just hit the Chromecast button and select from the list of devices it found already on your local network. No need for "native apps" for anything, the actual Netflix app shows you the button.

That said, Roku works fine and is a good product in the space. Neither has any real killer feature the other doesn't. But if you had to pick one for a novice user as a gift or whatever, Chromecast is a much cleaner experience.

Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by scarface74 on Sunday April 22, 2018 @10:18AM (#16896256)
How so? With the Roku, you install the app and you use a regular remote. Most people are more accustom to using a remote to control their TV than a phone. They've also had years of using VCRs and DVD players connected to their TVs.

When someone comes over to your house with an iPhone. Would you rather hand them a remote or your phone? Even if they have an Android phone, isn't it simpler to just hand someone a remote than ask them to install the individual apps?

The killer feature of the Roku is private listening. If I am watching something on TV and my wife is trying to sleep, I can listen to the audio on my phone. Of course the other killer feature is not to have to have my phone to control the TV. Even though you can - the Roku remote app is excellent.

I bought my dad a Roku TV for his birthday, installed all of the apps he needed and signed into everything for him using either his cable providers login or my account. I can't see him messing around with his phone to watch tv. He can use one remote for everything - including volume.

The only differences between the Roku TV and the stick are volume control and power on and off from the phone.

The two most popular video apps are Netflix and YouTube and they both support casting to the Roku.

Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by ajross on Sunday April 22, 2018 @10:59AM (#16896432)
Sigh. If you insist on platform flamage... (I mean, I said the Roku was a good product! But no, you have to go prove it's better than what I picked, because this is the internet. So here's why you're wrong, and why the Chromecast is better, if only slightly.)

> I can't see him messing around with his phone to watch tv.

And yet you don't see that for some this is in fact a "killer feature" in favor of the Chromecast? All this tells me is that you've never actually tried the product. Just count how many times you've had to hunt for a remote in the couch vs. how many times you've genuinely misplaced your phone to see how wrong your thinking is here.

The whole point of the Chromecast idiom, which it does really well, is to eliminate the fiddly "TV" interface. You just select the content on your phone, using exactly the UI that you normally use to select the content on your phone, and hit the Chromecast button. The device will turn the TV on, select the input[1], and just play. No remote needed.

As far as "private listening", that's cute, but collides with equivalent features already provided by most TV's these days. You certainly don't need a Roku to get that. Most TV's will pair with a bluetooth headset.

[1] OK, as long as you have a TV that understands CEC at a minimal level. This is sadly not as universal as you'd hope. Most ones I've looked at recently do OK.

Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by scarface74 on Sunday April 22, 2018 @11:26AM (#16896551)
> I can't see him messing around with his phone to watch tv. And yet you don't see that for some this is in fact a "killer feature" in favor of the Chromecast? All this tells me is that you've never actually tried the product. Just count how many times you've had to hunt for a remote in the couch vs. how many times you've genuinely misplaced your phone to see how wrong your thinking is here.

With the Roku you can either use the remote or your phone with the Roku app. How is it an advantage by having only one option? You can also cast from the two most popular video apps - Netflix and YouTube. I won’t even mention that if you’re a subscriber to Amazon Prime - and there are over 100 million people who are - you can’t use Amazon Prime Video at all on the Chromecast.

Are you really going to say that a phone interface is “less fiddly” than a purpose built “10 foot interface” for watching tv with a purpose built remote for controlling the interface and having only to navigate through the compatible apps?

With private listening, you don’t need the tv to work with Bluetooth and that’s yet another “fiddly interface” you have to deal with and yet another device you have to keep charged - as opposed to using your phone you already have and either wired or wireless headphones. Depending on which Roku you have, you can plug your headphones directly into your remote.

If you really want to talk about “platform flammage”, I didn’t even mention my 4K AppleTV where you have the benefit of native apps, mirroring from Macs, Airplaying from iOS devices, and a remote app on iOS devices....

Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by ajross on Sunday April 22, 2018 @02:37PM (#16897713)
> Are you really going to say that a phone interface is “less fiddly” than a purpose built “10 foot interface” for watching tv

Uh, yes. Yes. I am really going to say that. Again, you either haven't tried a Chromecast, haven't ever played a Netflix[1] video on an Android phone, or both.

Again: yes, playing content on a phone is easier than a TV. And it isn't even close.

Did I mention the phone is easier? It's easier.

[1] Or Google Play, or Youtube, or Spotify, or pretty much anything except Apple or Amazon, which remain notable and regretful (if not unexplainable) holes in coverage.

Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by scarface74 on Sunday April 22, 2018 @04:15PM (#16898323)
With Roku you can do both. Netflix and YouTube both support casting from Android phones to Roku. Spotify Connect works with everything.

Casting from my phone when I sharing a TV with other people who may not have the app installed, may not have an Android phone at all isn't more convenient than just handing over a remote - I'm not going to just hand my phone over silly nilly to let someone else control the TV while I'm out.

I'm not suggesting that most people get an AppleTV 4K - they are overpriced and I got one free with my DirecTVNow subscription - but at least with it, you can airplay Google Play and you have native apps (or Airplay) with Amazon Prime.

With Roku you have native apps for everything except Apple's stuff and you can cast to it.

With the Nvidia Shield - you have access to the entire Android ecosystem, Amazon Prime, and ChromeCast support.

The ChromeCast is the least capable alternative.

This isn't even an anti Android thing. The Nvidia Shield is Android based and just much better.

Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by tbyehl on Sunday April 22, 2018 @08:24PM (#16899569)
> And yet you don't see that for some this is in fact a "killer feature" in favor of the Chromecast?

For me that is the feature which kills the Chromecast.

My mother's manual dexterity and mental state are degraded enough that working a smartphone is out of the question. The touchpad Apple TV remote is also too challenging.

Until this past Christmas, my girlfriend's children had no tablets of their own with which to control the television.

I want to watch something in living room but I left my phone charging in the kitchen.

The great thing about a Roku TV is that it works just like a regular TV but with a better UI. My mother could work it after a 30-second explainer -- here's your remote, there's DirectTV Now, there's Plex, press the Home button to get back here. The girlfriend, kids, and random houseguests just grab the remote and go.

Everything else the Roku can do via App / Casting is gravy and I could live without any of it. I do appreciate Private Listening tho because it works with whatever output device(s) are available to the device the app is running from -- no extra Bluetooth pairing steps and doing the Which BT device will my headphones end up connecting to when I turn them on? dance.

Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by dagw on Sunday April 22, 2018 @05:26PM (#16898679)
All this tells me is that you've never actually tried the product.

I've had a Chromecast plugged into my TV and running for probably 2 years now and for some reason it basically never gets used. Maybe it's just me, but my phone is just as likely to be charging in the kitchen as it is to be in my pocket when I want to watch something on TV. And even when I have my phone on me I've just never managed to get into the habit of using it. Also I'd rather not hand my phone to my kids or house guests every time they want to watch something.

I tried to solve this by having a dedicated Chromecast tablet, but somehow it also kept wandering off around the house.

The remote for the Playstation on the other hand is always either on the coffee table in front of the TV or lying on top of the Playstation next to the TV, so that is what gets used every time.

I'm sure the Chromecast is great for many people and I honestly thought it would be great for me when I bought it, but so far it's been a waste.

Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by baddox on Sunday April 22, 2018 @04:14PM (#16898313)
That’s true, but there are also advantages to the Chromecast phone control. Multiple people can connect to a Chromecast and queue up videos from YouTube, which can be fun for hangouts/parties.
Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by baddox on Sunday April 22, 2018 @04:12PM (#16898301)
Does the Roku literally implement the Chromecast client software, meaning any app that supports Chromecasting can cast to it? My Vizio TV, for instance, supports casting to it from YouTube apps, but not any other apps.

That said, when I decided to pick up a Chromecast device, I wasn’t aware that Roku supported it at all. I wish I would have looked into it.

Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by scarface74 on Sunday April 22, 2018 @06:25PM (#16898991)
It’s just YouTube and Netflix. As I posted below, they are using a different protocol. E dry streaming provider supports Roku and there are tons of private channels.
Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by mseebach on Sunday April 22, 2018 @04:26AM (#16895262)
The pause and other playback control buttons on my TV remote works with the Chromecast. It somehow gets passed on through the HDMI port.
Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by isaack on Sunday April 22, 2018 @04:35AM (#16895288)
You should thank HDMI CEC [1] for that.

[1] https://support.google.com/chromecast/answer/7199917

Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by bebna on Sunday April 22, 2018 @04:37AM (#16895292)
U must be my soul buddy...
Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by bebna on Sunday April 22, 2018 @04:35AM (#16895289)
It is HDMI CEC channel (existing since 1.1) that allows the TV to control its source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Control

Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by baddox on Sunday April 22, 2018 @04:09PM (#16898282)
That’s a great tip! I’ll give that a try.
Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by bhouston on Sunday April 22, 2018 @04:18AM (#16895244)
Google Home allows you to turn on, off the TV, pause, rewind, fast forward, and play from Youtube, Netflix, but not Plex. Also change the settings on your phone to be unlocked automatically inside your house.
Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by checker659 on Sunday April 22, 2018 @07:44AM (#16895767)
Do you own a mac? I'm working on an app that'll let you control your chromecast (play/pause/volume/seek) from your mac's media keys. If you're interested, I can give you a beta in two days. Let me know :)
Re:VLC removed from Amazon Fire TV store by VLC developers by addicted on Sunday April 22, 2018 @01:43PM (#16897331)
Try the pause button on your TV remote.

The play/pause/stop buttons on my TV work just fine with the Chromecast, and I have an old 2009 TV that was bought well before the Chromecast was a twinkle in Google’s eye.