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Re:The case for hydrogen-powered cars by _ph_ on Saturday April 21, 2018 @09:30AM (#16891358)
Things not so often mentioned in the Hydrogen vs batteries discussions:

- just fueling hydrogen vehicles requires an substantial amount of electricity for the compressors. An electric vehicle could drive at least 10% of the distance on this electricity alone. That is not counting the compression work at any the production site and when filling the trucks.

- distributing hydrogen requires trucks. In most places, the elecricity network is available.

- refueling with a hydrogen vehicle is faster then recharging. But you have to refuel them at fuel stations. Electric vehicles can recharge at home or any parking lot with outlets - more and more companies have parking lots with electrical outlets.

Re:The case for hydrogen-powered cars by bunderbunder on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:18AM (#16891507)
The charge rate on electric vehicles is very slow, though, unless you're using one of Tesla's superchargers (which aren't everywhere).

I think that, when people are worrying about charge time, they're really asking, "Will charge times mean that a 5-hour trip to visit Mom and Dad now turns into a 10-hour trip, or, worse, something that requires an overnight stay?"

Re:The case for hydrogen-powered cars by Retric on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:49AM (#16891613)
Batteries are rapidly approaching the point most people will want to stop before their charge runs out.

~330 mile range is available today, which is pricy, but quickly dropping. The expected 50% battery price drop within 5 years is probably going to make 300+ mile ranges become standard and likely 600+ Mile ranges will start showing up. Further once you get into the 400+ mile range territory particularly charging say during lunch can significantly increase range without completely filling the battery.

Re:The case for hydrogen-powered cars by bunderbunder on Saturday April 21, 2018 @11:22AM (#16891738)
I can see it charging sufficiently over lunch if you use a supercharger. And that will be great if you've got superchargers installed in the parking lot at the place you stop for lunch. But I wouldn't fault anyone for feeling like that's a pretty big "if". Especially if truck stop food isn't your bag of peas.
Re:The case for hydrogen-powered cars by adrianN on Saturday April 21, 2018 @12:42PM (#16892111)
EVs don't have to replace ICE cars over night. Many people never drive long distance but commute every day. There will be a number of years where we have time to improve charging infrastructure. IMHO chargers for people in cities that don't have a garage are more important than superchargers next to highways.
Re:The case for hydrogen-powered cars by bluthru on Saturday April 21, 2018 @01:11PM (#16892231)
>superchargers (which aren't everywhere)

These are probably easier to deploy and maintain than hydrogen tanks, right?

Re:The case for hydrogen-powered cars by mdekkers on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:45AM (#16891597)
distributing hydrogen requires trucks and you have to refuel them at fuel stations

The physical and mental infrastructure for both of these are already in place.

Re:The case for hydrogen-powered cars by _ph_ on Saturday April 21, 2018 @11:08AM (#16891690)
The hydrogen infrastructure requires to be built from scratch. New fuel stations (of course they can reuse existing locations), the technology for fueling hydrogen is way more complex and very different to gasonly. New trucks. This is transporting very voilatile gas at about 1000 bar pressure. And it requires the trucks driving around, which was the main thing I was speaking about, while the elecricity flows over the existing networks. It also requires more truck loads of hydrogen than gasoline to supply the same amount of car mileage.