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Re:Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to A... by rm999 on Friday April 20, 2018 @12:07PM (#16885937)
Google dominated non-SMS chat in the late 2000s/early 2010s. I don't think they realized how insanely valuable that was - they were basically sitting on the future of communication. All they had to do was sit back and let network effects build their monopoly (with some more tech build-out and straightforward marketing in international markets).

Instead, they myopically saw Facebook as a threat and started one of the most user-hostile rampages I've been victim to. They hobbled existing products and over-complicated new products to force people onto a platform no one asked for. Facebook (and others) used this opportunity to grab communication away from Google.

It's all an interesting business case study of missing the forest for the trees.

Re:Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to A... by sunstone on Friday April 20, 2018 @02:54PM (#16887511)
Sometimes doing nothing is the best strategy but it's hard to get promoted that way.
Re:Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to A... by wetpaws on Friday April 20, 2018 @03:15PM (#16887697)
Totally agree. This is something a lot of people miss.

IT culture in general and Google especially puts too much pressure on engineers to re-invent the wheel to get better visibility and promotions.

Re:Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to A... by nevir on Friday April 20, 2018 @05:29PM (#16888573)
When the primary thing you're evaluated for is "impact", it's a wonder that Googlers bother to maintain any existing products at all.

(Plenty do out of love for the product/customers/etc, but man it's soul crushing to not be recognized for it)

Re:Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to A... by rhizome on Friday April 20, 2018 @05:41PM (#16888658)
it's a wonder that Googlers bother to maintain any existing products at all.

My understanding is that not everybody there knows where the corporate ladders are. If you don't (yet) know the terms of promotion at the GOOG, you'll be happy to knock out bugs and tweaks day in and day out. You're a Googler!

Re:Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to A... by oh_sigh on Friday April 20, 2018 @06:27PM (#16888860)
The ladders and breakdown of what is required at each position are well known and talked about frequently, especially around performance review time. If you're a googler and don't know what's on your ladder you aren't paying attention
Re:Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to A... by 18pfsmt on Saturday April 21, 2018 @02:45AM (#16890275)
I don't have any Google experience, but from what I've gathered over the years, there are always unwritten rules. Not everyone follows the spec. Often times, the spec even seems intentionally incomplete in retrospect.
Re:Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to A... by balladeer on Saturday April 21, 2018 @03:58AM (#16890447)
There are almost always unwritten rules; everywhere.

For example everyone says value "work life balance is balanced here and encouraged". But irrespective of whether they actually do it or not - if the two people output around the same ballpark but one is visible as more serious/responsible and seems more invested usually by virtue of more hours at work that becomes more "visible" than the "casual" 7-8 hr person with the same output.

Re:Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to A... by rhizome on Friday April 20, 2018 @07:00PM (#16889006)
So everybody onboards with the knowledge that launching new stuff is the only way to get promoted? Because that's Google's engineering reputation out here on the street.
Re:Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to A... by bearcobra on Friday April 20, 2018 @02:44PM (#16887425)
Google dominated non-SMS chat in the late 2000s/early 2010s

My social group was dominated by BBM & Skype until iMessage & Facebook Messenger took over. I've always assumed Google's efforts around messaging were because they had a niche product inside Gmail that they wanted to make more consumer friendly, hence the constant attempts to rebrand it.

Re:Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to A... by balladeer on Saturday April 21, 2018 @03:46AM (#16890416)
In India WhatsApp, now, is not a gold standard of online communication but it is pretty much the only mode of communication largely. I don't about other places, but at least here - people are not going to Google new "Chat" or Hangout anytime soon. Even Facebook chat is slowly losing out to WhatsApp and I don't think Facebook minds it. In fact they saw it coming and bought the app for that record price.

The reason I jumped out of Google ecosystem is, as you have mentioned, they forced me into closed ecosystems and I remained there for sometime but then the tools offered to me in the form of app, UI, and interfaces were beyond pathetic so I was out. So were my friends, family, relatives, and other acquaintances.

Orkut > Buzz > Wave > Chat > etc they did it one after another and they are still doing it. I mean you would think they would learn at some point.

Re:Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to A... by shadesofgrey on Sunday April 22, 2018 @01:44PM (#16897340)
Dont worry, its the Americans who live in a bubble.

I live in one of the wealthiest and advanced countries in the world. Ask a 12 year old girl what SMS is and she will not know. She will know WhatsApp.

Re:Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to A... by pixelpp on Friday April 20, 2018 @02:16PM (#16887159)
Interesting! I never looked at it that way...