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Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by malux85 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @05:34PM (#16880364)
Not unusual for people at the top of their game. I just turned down a 2M a year offer, and I have a friend who is making 2.9M USD. It's just a value proposition, he makes the company a lot more than 2.9 million a year, and when you negotiate you negotiate on value (and not on time) then you can justify these salaries.
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by opsiprogram on Thursday April 19, 2018 @06:41PM (#16880806)
What is considered to be "top of game" in deep learning in your experience... does that apply to just researchers like Ian Goodfellow who come up with completely novel methods for ML algorithms, or does it extend as far as people who are just using the methods that others developed effectively or in new ways? I know thats a weird question, but I am planning on looking into deep learning jobs after finishing my (MS) curious what the market value is for people who have experience implementing the systems , vs the people inventing new architectures. Because I won't have a PHD... It seems like somewhere along the way its a pretty extreme jump to ask for 1,2M or even 500K instead of just 100K~200K... wondering if you have any advice for how someone new might prove themselves... I guess beyond the standard stuff (have a nice github, try to replicate papers etc...)
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by chillydawg on Friday April 20, 2018 @08:02AM (#16884046)
I think a smart, hard working person who re-uses modern results from others well and in potentially new ways can create a vast amount of value. Short term, more than the top guys, as a lot of their work may be speculative, and yours would be getting-it-done. Long term, they'll invent some method that leaves you in the dust, but that's fine, just learn that too!
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by fergie on Thursday April 19, 2018 @05:37PM (#16880386)
After reading the article I am genuinely unsure whether you are joking or not.
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by einstok on Thursday April 19, 2018 @06:04PM (#16880575)
Fake it till you make it dude
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by JonRB on Thursday April 19, 2018 @05:37PM (#16880385)
Genuinely curious - what do you do?
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by roymurdock on Friday April 20, 2018 @02:28AM (#16882585)
He puts smart assets on a blockchain and controls them with AI

https://hydrachain.io/

Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by Radim on Friday April 20, 2018 @03:04AM (#16882709)
These RAMM sites seem a hotch-potch of vaguely related buzzwords, blurred images and unrelated company logos.

Did you see the laundry list of "Current Customer Use Cases" under https://ramm.science/x/signalbox/?

I respect fake-it-till-you-make to some degree, but I find too much "spinning" actually hurts the ML industry (though no doubt profitable for the spin artists). Communication style straight from the ICO world.

Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by etaioinshrdlu on Friday April 20, 2018 @08:05AM (#16884061)
I thought this was a joke, but it turns out to be true. This is the world we live in.
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by malux85 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @05:40PM (#16880411)
In my profile
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by miketery on Thursday April 19, 2018 @05:36PM (#16880381)
What qualifications or degrees do these people posses?
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by malux85 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @05:38PM (#16880402)
It's experience in the two examples I gave : I singlehandedly built my company : RAMM Science (https://ramm.science)

And he singlehandedly built one of Europes largest online betting system backends (and scaled it to 800 transactions a second using Deep Learning, Kafka and a Hadoop cluster)

Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by jedbrown on Thursday April 19, 2018 @05:45PM (#16880445)
Is that a real company? Your website is all "lorem ipsum ...". https://ramm.science/x/signalbox/
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by malux85 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @05:55PM (#16880516)
hahahaha you made me slap my forehead, someone did tell me that the other day and I forgot to fix it. thanks for reminding me!
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by the_watcher on Thursday April 19, 2018 @05:55PM (#16880522)
I'm not seeing any lorem ipsum at this url.
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by tzakrajs on Thursday April 19, 2018 @05:53PM (#16880506)
Is 800 transactions per second good? It seems like a low number but what do I know. I am impressed that Europe's largest betting system only does 800 transactions per second.
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by malux85 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @06:02PM (#16880565)
That's 800 credit card transactions a second --- thats people making deposits into their accounts to bet with. (btw I think that's peak - I'm not 100% sure)

The frontends (where the casino / betting games run) do a lot more than this, but they work against the balance in the account, it's the payment gateway that's doing 800/s

Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by alexbeloi on Thursday April 19, 2018 @07:02PM (#16880925)
Why does a payment gateway need deep learning? I can't imagine an online betting system doing fraud detection on deposits.
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by malux85 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @07:24PM (#16881036)
It was a bit simplistic of me to summarize it as a payment gateway, it was actually 50-60% of their backend systems that was enhanced, it was called their "Big Data Project"

They do do fraud detection on the deposits, because of anti-money-laundering. The DL models also monitor various other types of abuse (bonus abuse and in-game abusers). They also are experimenting with Deep Reenforcement Learning to actually play some of the games

Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by sjg007 on Friday April 20, 2018 @09:08AM (#16884429)
I thought bots weren't allowed? Also a DL bot by the house would probably have an unfair advantage.
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by sjg007 on Friday April 20, 2018 @09:11AM (#16884441)
Well, I think random forests on a feature set probably plays a big role and is probably easier. But to use a deep neural network maybe, you might be able to get away with a convolutional network to extract higher order associations among some input set.
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by PeterisP on Friday April 20, 2018 @02:06AM (#16882493)
An online betting system has to do fraud detection on a higher level than random merchants, since they can expect to be a target for large scale non-amateur fraudsters, and just as in any other business, if your incoming payments are fraudulent, you lose that money.
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by cocoablazing on Friday April 20, 2018 @07:58AM (#16884030)
Perhaps for anti-money laundering compliance.
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by iampims on Thursday April 19, 2018 @05:42PM (#16880424)
That’s impressive. Time to hire a front end engineer and designer though.
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by zitterbewegung on Thursday April 19, 2018 @05:47PM (#16880462)
You can do with a bad front end design if you are doing b2b since you don’t get leads from your websites but instead from meeting people .
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by cabaalis on Thursday April 19, 2018 @05:53PM (#16880510)
This is absolutely true. Our company's website leaves much to be desired (and I'm in charge of it!) but we do not solicit or receive leads from it.
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by malux85 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @05:56PM (#16880528)
yeah this is correct, I get sales through word of mouth and resellers, the website is really just a holding page
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by GFischer on Thursday April 19, 2018 @06:17PM (#16880659)
So I can do 800 credit card transactions a second I should get a 100x raise? I knew I was underpaid, but not that much ! :P
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by kilbuz on Thursday April 19, 2018 @06:43PM (#16880824)
Close. You need to build a product with which 800 people per second want to perform a credit card transaction.
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by weavie on Friday April 20, 2018 @08:22AM (#16884152)
Easily done if you don't care which way the transaction goes!
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by GFischer on Friday April 20, 2018 @10:20AM (#16884950)
Yeah. That would be my employers then, and they're definitely making more than that :)
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by ashelmire on Thursday April 19, 2018 @08:59PM (#16881396)
Get rid of the font-weight on your site, it makes the text unreadable.

But good work making something and becoming successful!

Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by charlesdm on Thursday April 19, 2018 @05:57PM (#16880537)
Degrees don't matter. (Business focused) results and a track record of delivering do. Still impressive remuneration though -- he must be adding tens of millions in profits to the bottom line.
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by 7figures on Thursday April 19, 2018 @10:14PM (#16881664)
Degrees matter deeply among the untalented in my experience. I have one of those fancy pee HUDs, but I only whip it out when I'm dealing with the above sort.
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by tensor on Thursday April 19, 2018 @06:50PM (#16880855)
Results don't really matter either, you just need to convince people that you are valuable. Many people in business don't have any sort of "provable" results but have excellent people skills.
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by kirykl on Thursday April 19, 2018 @07:41PM (#16881110)
Agreed, Results generally only matter for the low level employee and the CEO. In between you can people your way to a career
Re:A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonp... by nvarsj on Thursday April 19, 2018 @06:22PM (#16880689)
And/or good at convincing people he provides that much value.