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Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by UncleEntity on Thursday April 19, 2018 @12:52PM (#16877502)
> It's a dangerous trend for both society and reddit itself.

Wouldn't squashing the voices of the "right-wing contingent" just lead to an (already implied) echo chamber of leftist thought?

Your one single comment sums up the problem I have with user-moderation systems like reddit (and HN).

Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by wvenable on Thursday April 19, 2018 @12:58PM (#16877561)
What ever happened to neutrality? Moderators shouldn't be promoting an ideology left or right. I understand that Reddit admins themselves don't want to promote an ideology either -- they want to remain neutral -- but they are sacrificing their platform to people who don't hold he same ideals.

The biggest change I've noticed is just how political the city/country subreddits have become. A few years ago, they used to be more fun places but now nearly all the content is very hateful and polarizing.

Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by phil21 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @01:15PM (#16877758)
> they used to be more fun places but now nearly all the content is very hateful and polarizing.

I don't think this is a reddit thing - it's a societal thing.

Other platforms are also getting far more acerbic in general. City council meetings, local news, etc. It seems the country is in a period of time where politics is both forefront and rather contentious.

I feel the stuff on-line is simply reflecting the greater societal trends - jut with the typical amplification everything on-line breeds.

Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by wvenable on Thursday April 19, 2018 @01:19PM (#16877799)
I think it's a societal thing because it's a Reddit thing. That typical amplification of everything online is leaking into real life.
Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by pjc50 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @01:43PM (#16878105)
Neutrality is impossible. Either you ban people for racism or you don't.
Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by chillwaves on Thursday April 19, 2018 @02:18PM (#16878516)
Right, so people are arguing against that baseline rule.

A baseline rule prohibiting threatening violence, most people agree with, but apparently it is a controversial attack on free speech if a private website wants to moderate the use of its platform to promote hatred against people based on the color of their skin.

And banning racism is being held as an example of liberal bias! Amazing.

Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by nabc45 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @03:09PM (#16879042)
Sticks and stones.
Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by chillwaves on Thursday April 19, 2018 @03:50PM (#16879482)
Not all speech is protected, for good reasons that cannot be blithely dismissed with a truism.
Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by aldoushuxley001 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @01:02PM (#16877619)
It's literally impossible for moderators to be neutral, for anyone to be neutral. Even judges are well known for leaning to one side or the other.
Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by wvenable on Thursday April 19, 2018 @01:10PM (#16877702)
But even judges attempt to be neutral. There are law/rules and you attempt to judge every case/comment based on that. As a moderator, I don't simply delete comments because they don't fit my political views -- I'm capable of that and so are most other people.

That's entirely different from people that are explicitly not trying to be neutral and are trying to promote a specific political ideology. I expect that majority of moderators on Reddit are not trying to promote anything. However there is definitely a growing contingent that don't want neutrality and they are taking over.

Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by stale2002 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @02:28PM (#16878634)
Sure it is possible. You can be neutral by banning nothing.

Or at the very least only ban something when the authorities literally force you to do so.

Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by wvenable on Thursday April 19, 2018 @02:40PM (#16878775)
Banning nothing is fine if you want your community to die.

In theory, everyone has equal ability to share their opinions and all have equal weight. In reality, you have a lot less influence than someone willing to post 24/7 everywhere they can. The quickest way to drive away reasonable people is to do nothing.

Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by FeepingCreature on Thursday April 19, 2018 @01:29PM (#16877932)
See this excellent post: Neutral vs. Conservative - The Eternal Struggle http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservative...
Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by komali2 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @01:30PM (#16877947)
There is "right wing" and there is "far right nationalism." Reddit has an issue with the latter. I have talked with many conservatives lamenting the loss of their given subreddits to trolls and /r/t_d devotees.

Furthermore, it is the internet - I've never been convinced by any argument that HN or reddit or even facebook has any obligation to give "fair time" to far-right nationalism. For as long as Fox News exists and promotes itself as an actual news agency (HAH!), I don't think community-generated content websites need to bother.

Why doesn't the far-right just "pull itself up by its boostraps" and make a reddit for the far-right? (sidenote, sometimes this does happen, and it almost always is full of the most comically hateful people: see voat)

Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by feadog on Thursday April 19, 2018 @01:51PM (#16878195)
sidenote, sometimes this does happen, and it almost always is full of the most comically hateful people: see voat

I'd feel much better if reddit and twitter were even handed with their condemnation of comically hateful people. As someone on the Left, what I've seen is that Left-leaning media bias tends to give indirect license to the most extreme authoritarian and even toxic fringes of the Left. It also fuels a reaction from the far Right.

For as long as Fox News exists and promotes itself as an actual news agency (HAH!)

The mechanism I cite above has been in operation at Fox, just in the other direction.

Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by komali2 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @03:36PM (#16879324)
I'm not sure I agree, based on the near universal mockery of /r/shitredditsays since well before even the Kotakugate/gamerghazi/zoe quinn clusterfuck.
Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by stale2002 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @02:31PM (#16878670)
"Why doesn't the far-right just "pull itself up by its boostraps""

Umm, why would they do that when they can instead use reddit?

Reddit sells itself as being a strong supporter of free speech. THEY SELF-identify as being a neutral platform.

If the censorship supporters want to interact in a censored forum, then they can make their own subreddit and moderate it how ever they feel like, or make their own website.

The right doesn't need to do anything, because reddit wants to be neutral.

Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by spamizbad on Thursday April 19, 2018 @02:45PM (#16878824)
The far-right/neo-fash has numerous platforms that never censor them and will gladly embrace their content: gab, voat, 4chan/8chan to name a few.

I honestly don't see what the big deal is. For example, lots of lefty subs have banished "Tankies", communists who think Stalin did nothing wrong, from their communities.

Ultimately, neither a fascist nor communist can oppose such a purge/restriction without being a hypocrite. Such actions are well within either group's ideological wheelhouse and therefore they should stop complaining.

Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by abritinthebay on Thursday April 19, 2018 @01:00PM (#16877588)
By "right-wing" he means the particularly virulent ur-fascist type of characters.

If you don't think that is a problem then... well, I can't help you.

Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by FeepingCreature on Thursday April 19, 2018 @01:30PM (#16877942)
Then he should say "virulent ur-fascists."
Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by abritinthebay on Thursday April 19, 2018 @05:07PM (#16880182)
Can’t argue with that, but contextually it was reasonably clear. Also it is a right wing position, just not the only one.
Re:‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the ... by so33 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @12:56PM (#16877553)
>Wouldn't squashing the voices of the "right-wing contingent" just lead to an (already implied) echo chamber of leftist thought?

That implies it's only possible to be "right-wing" or "leftist".