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Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by cstejerean on Monday April 16, 2018 @10:02PM (#16854804)
How much did you pay for Windows 10?
Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by grogenaut on Monday April 16, 2018 @10:13PM (#16854874)
Do I, as a single person, have the option of buying a non-spyware version of windows 10? I paid $175 for windows 7... I'd pay $300 for a non-spyware version of windows but I don't think I can even buy solo windows 10 enterprise.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/windows-p...

Nope.. I can buy pro but I can only try enterprise.

Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by 794CD01 on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:24AM (#16858571)
You could buy a VS premium license with MSDN. Or would you still consider that "trying"?
Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by grogenaut on Sunday April 22, 2018 @04:31PM (#16898410)
Does the VS premium get me the OS?
Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by 794CD01 on Monday April 23, 2018 @10:40AM (#16903765)
The MSDN subscription gets you licenses for almost all MS software, including their OSes.
Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by oldcynic on Monday April 16, 2018 @10:24PM (#16854931)
Same as with previous releases: an unknown, invisible, price because it generally comes with the machine. Choose Win x Pro if you want a more "corporate" laptop and get features to connect to the work network, Bitlocker and so on.

As far as I am aware the pitch has not changed - Pro is for for a business environment, Enterprise if you're in need of centralised management of an estate of machines. So no, Pro should not be taking liberties.

So now to be treated professionally I need to buy a laptop with Win 10 Pro and buy Win 10 again to reinstall it / upgrade it with Win 10 LTS? Can you even buy a single copy?

Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by valarauca1 on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @01:21AM (#16855696)
My windows 10 Pro cost me $270 when I got it on christmas sale.

I can't disable debug telemetry or cortona. If I set the options to via admin (or even safe mode) via registry edits. After a reboot I'll find them back on.

Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by Stratoscope on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @02:05AM (#16855906)
$270 USD? That can't be right. Full retail price is only $199. Amazon and Newegg both sell Windows 10 Pro retail download for $189, and Windows 10 Pro 64 bit System Builder OEM disc for $143. These aren't sale prices, just regular prices.
Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by pwagland on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:44AM (#16858183)
Not the grandparent, but in the Netherlands it is 259€ ( https://www.microsoft.com/nl-nl/store/d/windows-10-pro/df77x.... ) that is 317USD in the conversion, so that sounds about right when you don't live in the US.

Of course, these European prices already include sales tax, which the US prices don't, but even then it would still be ~250USD without BTW.

So 270USD on sale sounds like a decent savings!

Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by mrweasel on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:06AM (#16857871)
Windows 10 Pro is 1899DKK from Microsoft, that's 315USD. Home is cheaper, at 1099 (180USD).
Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by pwagland on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:41AM (#16858163)
In the Netherlands it is 259€ ( https://www.microsoft.com/nl-nl/store/d/windows-10-pro/df77x... ) that is 317USD in the conversion, so that sounds about right when you don't live in the US.

Of course, these European prices already include sales tax, which the US prices don't, but even then it would still be ~250USD without BTW.

Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by pureagave on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @07:29PM (#16863247)
I have to wonder if the EU prices include the cost of doing business in the EU. Like paying the big EU fines.
Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by xori on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:31AM (#16858073)
Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by NiveaGeForce on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:18AM (#16858500)
You can disable Cortana in every version of Windows 10 from regular settings, and it even asks you upon install.

Telemetry can be set to basic in settings too, which is harmless, and it also asks you upon install.

Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by hungerstrike on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @11:22AM (#16859141)
Maybe you know this already but here's some friendly advice: You're not going to get anywhere defending Windows or Microsoft against the HN crowd.

Most of them live in a bubble and it's just not cool to use Windows or Microsoft products...so even when you're right, which you are, the most you can hope for is that they'll ignore your comment instead of spouting off some ridiculous nonsense that they actually have no clue about. And then they turn around and pimp Apple, the most controlling, selfish enemy of personal freedom with the shittiest software that you can imagine.

It's kinda hilarious to watch though.

Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by Tom4hawk on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @03:09AM (#16865315)
I don't care if "Basic" setting sends harmless information. I don't want to send ANYTHING. It's my computer, I paid for it, I paid for this system and I want full control.

Full disclosure: I don't use Windows, I don't use Apple products, I'm trying to avoid using any closed-source software.

Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by hungerstrike on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @01:47PM (#16869347)
I get it, I really do - if you can live on Linux alone that’s great.

Many other people here will complain about Microsoft ads on the start menu but turn around and forgive Apple who shows you ads every time you want to update your computer via the App Store. With Windows when I remove the ad (which is just a shortcut to a non-installed app) it’s gone forever or at least a long time.

Or, they will fault Microsoft for some slight lock-in with their Mail app that nobody is forced to use and completely forgive Apple for the immense level of lock in on iOS because “Apple has always only offered that” and Microsoft is not allowed to change.

However, I have to put up with basic telemetry which is slightly annoying but not a showstopper for me. I can also install the enterprise version of Windows which I think I can get via my MSDN subscription. Either way, it is annoying but I can live with it.

Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by gowld on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @11:54AM (#16859493)
On my machine right now, Cortana is Disabled in settings and Group Policy settings (you can't disable all of Cortana from regular settings, only the "Hey Cortana" and various ad popups) but the UI is clearly still visible in my taskbar.
Re:Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new I... by NiveaGeForce on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @12:01PM (#16859560)
If you select disable or disable its permissions in settings, it's disabled.

The fact that there is a Search UI on your taskbar (which you can remove with right click), doesn't imply that Cortana's data collection is enabled.