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Re:‘Moderate’ drinking guidelines are too loose, study says by teekert on Monday April 16, 2018 @06:08AM (#16847859)
"The fact that alcohol is not frowned upon by society in general, hides the devastating effects it can have." Not only is it not frowned upon, in every single movie or series people grab a bottle when they emotionally have a a bad time, every time. It's so normal and cool. Bad experience: Numb yourself with alcohol! All the cool kids do it!

Exactly how ingrained alcohol is in our culture really only starts to hit you when you know someone with an alcohol problem. Try to not drink for a couple of months, the reactions can be pretty strange, "you must be ill or something"... I really see alcohol as Soma from Brave New World. But unlike with tobacco, we still have our heroes use it on the telly all the time.

Yesterday I had a 16 y/o tell me that she doesn't like to drink and she's a bit of an outcast at school now. In fact she says, many kids don't like it but they do it anyway to be part of the group. Sure, that is normal for kids, but that used to be normal for smoking and that (at least here in the Netherlands) is in my experience quickly losing it's coolness by lack of commercials and government crackdown.

Re:‘Moderate’ drinking guidelines are too loose, study says by KozmoNau7 on Monday April 16, 2018 @12:07PM (#16850007)
There is certainly a culture problem, and I think it's mostly in certain segments of the population.

I'm happy that my group of peers had been extremely supportive of a friend who is a recovering alcoholic and only drinks soda or 0.0% beer now. We basically all admire him for his willpower, especially at concerts.

Even when I decided to cut out every second beer at concerts and replace it with sugar free soda or soda water, everyone understood and they remember to ask when they buy rounds for the group.

Then again, we're all 25+ and mostly 30+, so that probably makes a big difference.

Re:‘Moderate’ drinking guidelines are too loose, study says by teekert on Monday April 16, 2018 @10:20AM (#16849158)
:) She's not my daughter, though I hope my daughter (1 y/o) will be as strong when the time comes and I hope she will find some fine friends just as strong ;)

Edit: This was meant to be a reaction to mrleiter

Re:‘Moderate’ drinking guidelines are too loose, study says by brongondwana on Monday April 16, 2018 @08:35PM (#16854357)
Having just done a little over a month of not drinking (for various reasons) - the only real crap I got was from my kids. Showing them that it was possible is certainly one of the reasons.
Re:‘Moderate’ drinking guidelines are too loose, study says by mrleiter on Monday April 16, 2018 @07:27AM (#16848187)
You can be proud of your daughter, it shows quite some will power. :)
Re:‘Moderate’ drinking guidelines are too loose, study says by tyu100 on Monday April 16, 2018 @08:10AM (#16848362)
In really is incredible how many billions of dollars are spent on marketing alcohol and how pervasive is is.
Re:‘Moderate’ drinking guidelines are too loose, study says by KozmoNau7 on Monday April 16, 2018 @11:04AM (#16849438)
Unfortunately the alcohol with the heaviest marketing is also the shittiest. Bland watery beer, sugary swill blended shots that are just meant to be knocked back as quickly as possible, and cheap nasty spirits, which are just meant to be mixed with soda or energy drinks.

There is certainly a drinking culture problem, and it is specifically a lack of culture and taste.

Give me a high quality wine or whisky or even a well-mixed drink made with quality ingredients. Something to savor and enjoy, instead of just chugging it as quickly as possible.

I'm in Malaga on vacation at the moment, and there is definitely something to be said for one glass of good wine with dinner and one glass of good sherry with dessert, and that's it. Not knocking back endless rows of shitty shots.

Drinking to get "hammered" is the real problem. Drinking a smaller amount of something well-made that tickles your taste buds and intrigues you is so much more fun.

Re:‘Moderate’ drinking guidelines are too loose, study says by notyourday on Monday April 16, 2018 @10:45AM (#16849304)
Just ask her how much she smokes.
Re:‘Moderate’ drinking guidelines are too loose, study says by teekert on Monday April 16, 2018 @01:49PM (#16851094)
She doesn't.