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Re:Duolingo Suddenly Has Over Twice as Much Language Learnin... by romwell on Thursday April 12, 2018 @05:53PM (#16825233)
>You add +I accusative suffix to [imply definiteness]

Very interesting! In Russian, the accusative suffix would play exactly the opposite role. While there's no real way to say the beer without additional context, you can say:

поставь пиво в холодильник / put the beer in the fridge

поставь пива в холодильник / put SOME beer into the fridge

Re:Duolingo Suddenly Has Over Twice as Much Language Learnin... by amaccuish on Thursday April 12, 2018 @07:44PM (#16825935)
пива (as partitive gen.) here sounds really weird to me, like you're pouring it out of a can into something else, and putting that in the fridge. If it's a can you can emphasise it with a number e.g. я поставил одну банку пива в холодильник :)

not a native speaker, just living and studying russian in moscow

Re:Duolingo Suddenly Has Over Twice as Much Language Learnin... by romwell on Friday April 13, 2018 @06:12PM (#16834337)
It was noted below that this is properly called the partitive case; the Wikipedia articles have good examples in the vein of "А не испить ли нам чаю":[1][2]

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitive_case#Russian

[2]https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B8...

Re:Duolingo Suddenly Has Over Twice as Much Language Learnin... by pandaman on Friday April 13, 2018 @03:20AM (#16827768)
The partitive here is to express that the speaker is not specifying in what form or shape the beer in the fridge should appear. For a native speaker it sounds like you are talking about some quantity of beer but omitted the quantity so it's literally just some unspecified quantity of beer.
Re:Duolingo Suddenly Has Over Twice as Much Language Learnin... by amaccuish on Friday April 13, 2018 @07:06AM (#16828820)
So you would say that though? Like I've just never heard my хозяйка квартиры say that is all. I hear it often in things like "would you like some tea/beer?" etc or "i'm going to buy some tea/beer" but never like that. My impression was that outside of those contexts it's not popular. Mind sharing some examples? Would be really useful! :)
Re:Duolingo Suddenly Has Over Twice as Much Language Learnin... by pandaman on Friday April 13, 2018 @10:56AM (#16830547)
You probably would never hear somebody saying "Поставь пива в холодильник." since, while a correct sentence, it would need some rare circumstances to be said. Поставь here is much more concrete than "put", it's more like "place" and I could imagine saying this only if I had been managing the fridge at some party and noticed it's running out of beer so I requested somebody to add more beer there. Much more common would be "Принеси/достань/возьми пива из холодильника" (get some beer from the fridge).
Re:Duolingo Suddenly Has Over Twice as Much Language Learnin... by romwell on Friday April 13, 2018 @06:17PM (#16834371)
>You probably would never hear somebody saying "Поставь пива в холодильник." since, while a correct sentence, it would need some rare circumstances to be said. [...] I could imagine saying this only if I had been managing the fridge at some party and noticed it's running out of beer

Yup, pretty much that. Or like that one time when we went binge-shopping on craft beers, but there was only enough space in the fridge for a couple of bottles; so that was a normal request about an hour before we were to watch a movie. Which is pretty much the exact situation you described :)

Re:Duolingo Suddenly Has Over Twice as Much Language Learnin... by cema on Thursday April 12, 2018 @07:04PM (#16825741)
I think "пива" is the partitive case, though.
Re:Duolingo Suddenly Has Over Twice as Much Language Learnin... by romwell on Friday April 13, 2018 @06:09PM (#16834313)
That's exactly it! [1]

I'm a native speaker, and I wasn't even aware of partitive case. They never taught us about it, even though a mind-numbing amount of time was spent cramming the name of the usual six cases into our heads.

I only got more interested in linguistics after moving to the US, and, sadly, only took one class in college on it.

Thanks for noticing this, I just learned something!

As a side note, I also mixed up genitive and accusative cases.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitive_case#Russian

Re:Duolingo Suddenly Has Over Twice as Much Language Learnin... by cema on Monday April 16, 2018 @02:59PM (#16851727)
I think the definitive and most authoritative review of the Russian grammatical cases was done by Zaliznyak: http://inslav.ru/images/stories/pdf/2002_Zalizniak_RIS_i_sta..., in Russian, pages 36-55. Fascinating reading.