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Re:Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for d... by slg on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @07:00PM (#16816556)
You are reading into that text more than you should. Autopilot and full self-driving are two separate features. Autopilot can be used today. Full self-driving can be purchased today but won't be activated until some unknown future date. Those features are separate configurable options when purchasing the car that come with their own prices. Tesla makes it clear enough that any owner should know those are two separate features. The text you highlighted is simply promising that any car purchased today can activate full self-driving down the line with no additional hardware costs.
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Re:Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for d... by danso on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @07:47PM (#16816845)
> You are reading into that text more than you should.

The page's title is "Autopilot | Tesla". It is the first result for "tesla autopilot" in search results. And "autopilot" appears 9 times on the page. So if that's not an intentional attempt to mislead consumers into conflating Autopilot with "full self-driving", then what would such an attempt look like, hypothetically?

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Re:Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for d... by slg on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @08:17PM (#16816997)
Is it crazy to hold a driver to a higher standard than simply Googling "Tesla autopilot" and only reading the first paragraph of the first result? If you read that entire page, the difference between autopilot and full self-driving is clear. If you read the car's manual, the difference is clear. If you look at the configurator for the car, the difference is clear when you have to pay $3,000 extra for full self-driving. I am not sure how any responsible Tesla owner could think that this is only a single feature.
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Re:Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for d... by buvanshak on Thursday April 12, 2018 @03:50AM (#16818802)
>Is it crazy to hold a driver to a higher standard than simply Googling "Tesla autopilot" and only reading the first paragraph of the first result?

That is damn crazy. You should consider your users to be complete idiots when improper use of the thing can endanger lives.

Why are we even debating this?

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Re:Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for d... by tnegoshi on Thursday April 12, 2018 @04:40AM (#16819035)
> Is it crazy to hold a driver to a higher standard than simply Googling "Tesla autopilot" and only reading the first paragraph of the first result?

For this standard it would have to apply to every driver. Should drivers who do not google "Tesla autopilot", let alone ones that do and read on in a section about said autopilot feature, be punished with death in a two ton metal trap?

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Re:Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for d... by slg on Thursday April 12, 2018 @01:03PM (#16822858)
I really don't see how this is different than other features of a car like cruise control. It is up to the driver to educate themselves about cruise control. I was not part of my driver education class. There were no questions about it during the tests to get my license. I didn't learn how it worked until I was in my 20s when I first owned a car that had cruise control and I learned by reading that car's manual. I don't think anyone would have blamed the manufacturer if I killed myself because I didn't understand how cruise control worked or if I used it improperly.
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Re:Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for d... by danso on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @08:46PM (#16817129)
Is it crazy to ask a car-making company to create 2 separate webpages when describing completely different systems?
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Re:Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for d... by slg on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @09:19PM (#16817279)
It isn’t crazy to ask that, but I think it is crazy to view failing to create two pages as an intentional attempt to deceive or as something that absolves drivers of their own responsibilities.
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Re:Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for d... by sokoloff on Thursday April 12, 2018 @04:10AM (#16818886)
Hypothetically, it might say that all Tesla cars being built today have both the hardware and software to make full self-driving possible.

It doesn’t; what it does say is perfectly clear to me.

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Re:Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for d... by danso on Thursday April 12, 2018 @01:59PM (#16823317)
That would ostensibly be a lie.
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Re:Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for d... by sokoloff on Thursday April 12, 2018 @02:02PM (#16823352)
Yes, I know.

It remains an answer to "what would such an attempt [to intentionally mislead consumers] look like, hypothetically?"

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