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Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by simonw on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @01:44PM (#16803341)
I agree, secret questions are dumb... but what are the alternatives?

The majority of human beings now manage important parts of their lives online, which means they have to remember passwords.

Humans are TERRIBLE at remembering passwords - those of us who use a password manager represent a fraction of a percent of those who need one.

Secret questions may be revoltingly insecure, but they do at least let people get back into their accounts. We need to do better, but I don't know what "better" looks like.

Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by smsm42 on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:45PM (#16803956)
Even if humans were excellent at remembering passwords - I look into my pwd manager and I have over 500 passwords. OK, I am not a common case - I have passwords from various systems, logins, keys, etc. there. But even a common person can have accounts on a hundred sites. And now add rotation requirements. Nobody outside of trained mnemotechnic performers can remember those - and keep them up to date for years. It's not just humanly possible in current environment. Either you use one password virtually everywhere, or you don't remember any of them.
Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by njarboe on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @04:34PM (#16805061)
If it is a password to a bank account or a brokerage account I would love to be able to set the system up to only be able to reset my password in person at a branch or office. Charge me for the reset if you think it's too expensive to have that service for free.

For other passwords people should just write them down and store them in a safe place (like in there desk at home).

Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by dragonwriter on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @04:38PM (#16805102)
> I agree, secret questions are dumb... but what are the alternatives?

Unless you are running a system intended as the users primary email provider, 2FA + email covers basically all the things that “security question” auxiliary passwords are used for, with both better usability and better security. For high security cases, 2FA + in person recovery may be more appropriate.

Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by jrnichols on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @09:51PM (#16807406)
I'd love the option to at least use Touch ID. Facebook is a huge example. I have a long complicated password, and when I switch Messenger accounts, it likes to ask for it. Why can't I just use my thumbprint and Touch ID? Same with Barclays. The app wants my password 2/3 of the time, even though I have it set to use Touch ID.

I'd at least like the option to use Touch ID/Face ID only.

Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by koolba on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @10:09PM (#16807501)
Trusted third parties with time lock and N of M confirmations for unlock. Nominate contacts that can jointly unlock your account after a set delay.
Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by makecheck on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:30PM (#16803801)
No...humans are terrible at remembering passwords given inane “security” requirements that vary from site to site.

I have yet to see a site allow me to “correct horse battery staple” my password for instance (xkcd), which I’ve found very memorable.

Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by icebraining on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @03:35PM (#16804459)
There's an easy trick for that: you use a random password of that style, then you add some weird characters at the end to comply, like "A!5#" - but you use the same weird characters for every site, so you only need to memorize a single sequence.
Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by crazygringo on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @08:12AM (#16810291)
Except for the sites which prohibit special characters, or limit to a max of 16 characters (I ran into this last week, was genuinely surprised it was still a thing).
Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by gnulinux on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:21PM (#16803732)
> Humans are TERRIBLE at remembering passwords

This is the main problem and we created this problem. Over the last 30 years we worked so hard to make passwords weird and not even that hard for computers to try find. If your password is a sentence that you know by heart, say your favorite quote, the motto of your country, of your school, or some cool fact etc... your password would be (1) safer and (2) easier for you to remember. That's what I do and I never have hard time remembering my 4 to 6 word password. I just use bunch of books/movies and remember my favorite quotes. For example "one ring to rule them all" is a good password, or "may the force be with you" or "call me ishmael".

Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by Simon_says on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:35PM (#16803859)
Are you kidding? Those are terrible passwords, and there’s already some script kiddie out there with a password list containing the top 10 billion book, music, tv show, and movie quotes.

A good password has entropy, which is not a property of the alphanumeric string but of the process used to create it. Could your password generation method plausibly have produced 2^60 alternative passwords with equal probability? Probably not.

Also, never reuse passwords.

Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by bitwize on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @03:30PM (#16804402)
"One ring to rule them all" is a terrible password, but "the dark lord's unique jewelry" might be a good one.
Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by stordoff on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @07:53PM (#16806822)
For passwords I need to remember (rather than just putting in my password manager), I've taken to using lines from foreign content, especially if it's something I've translated myself or I've introduced some deliberate misreadings in. I imagine very few dictionaries would have "personawakokoronoka!" in them (not a password I've used, but illustrates the idea). Derived from:

ペルソナは心の力 - read as "perusona wa kokoro no chikara"

Then I've replaced it with the English spelling of Persona -> "persona wa kokoro no chikara"

Then I replace chikara with a misreading - when I first learnt the characters, I mixed up 力 (chikara) with the katakana カ (ka) and often read both as ka -> "persona wa koroko no ka"

Then remove the (unneeded) spaces and add a "!" for good measure -> "personawakokoronoka!"

Dead easy for me to remember, but (I believe) difficult to derive/guess or dictionary attack (especially if I start with a longer sentence).

Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by logfromblammo on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @04:13PM (#16804857)
"Blamm0!One ring to rule them all" would be better, in that it adds a personal salt. If your personal salt satisfies length and character class requirements by itself, so much the better.

Or maybe "One And ring in to the rule darkness them bind all, them." in that it applies a personal transformation rule.

Or do both.

It's not as secure as other methods of password generation, but makes yours more resistant to (unabridged) dictionary attacks. If an attacker learns your personal salt, they could create a special dictionary attack just for your passwords, but this is another case of not outrunning the tiger when you can outrun your friend. Far easier to run the vanilla dictionary attack against everyone else who doesn't salt/transform.

Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:48PM (#16803972)
Are you kidding?

Which is longer, the alphabet or the dictionary?

There's a hell of a lot more words in any language than there are characters that make them up.

N case insensitive words is far better than N character password from the normal set of characters (alphanumeric + special characters).

Even if you restrict the combinations of words to grammatically correct sentences there's still more combinations than there are of for the same number of characters

That still holds even if you make assumptions about sentence structure, common word combinations, etc, etc. There's a lot of words out there.

Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by Dylan16807 on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @03:21PM (#16804300)
If you're using a famous quote, after a few words you're adding next to zero entropy per word.

You're using an analysis for random words, which is completely different.

Also in general a random word is worth around as much as two random characters. There's no clear-cut winner, use whatever you like more.

Re:Don't give away historic details about yourself by ryan-c on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @11:23PM (#16807786)
> one ring to rule them all

> may the force be with you

> call me ishmael

These are all in my password cracking dictionary.