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Re:iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-... by saagarjha on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @12:43PM (#16802776)
Here's a great article that discusses why doing this would be a bad idea: https://blog.darkrainfall.org/2016/02/a-short-rant-about-err...
Re:iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-... by pfortuny on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @12:53PM (#16802856)
Well, that is an opinion. However, bricking a device without previous warning seems quite out of control. There are many easier things to do. Like, for example, nagging the user every day with a message, not upgrading the software (and still nagging the user with a message), etc...

Bricking a device is certainly a bad user experience and not at all what the user wishes. Nagging him at least lets him use the phone and keeps him informed.

You cannot assume the user is stupid and not assume the user will not repair the phone outside your network. You cannot have both things at the same time and get away with it.

That is what I think. If the user is stupid, let him be so.

Re:iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-... by saagarjha on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @01:02PM (#16802929)
> not upgrading the software

For goodness sake no! Blocking software updates is a terrible thing to do, because most people don't want to install them anyways. You're basically putting people in an already bad situation in a worse situation.

> Nagging him at least lets him use the phone and keeps him informed.

It only takes the user using the sketchy Touch ID sensor once for their fingerprint to be sent out to malicious actors.

> If the user is stupid, let him be so.

That's what you think, but that's not how Apple works. It's their job to make the default work well for those who may not be completely knowledgable about security.

Re:iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-... by pfortuny on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @01:07PM (#16802981)
I get what you are trying to convey. I disagree but there is no problem in that.

However: where does Apple state that their products may stop working if repaired with different components? (Honest question, I have tried to find it).

Re:iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-... by saagarjha on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @01:24PM (#16803161)
This was that best I could find from a few minutes of searching.

> Service Exclusions and Diagnostic Fee. Apple may charge you a diagnostic fee (including shipping charges) as described in the Country Variation table, below (“Diagnostic Fee”), if Apple inspects your product and determines that (i) your product does not require service, (ii) your product has failed due to or has incompatibilities with software or data residing or recorded on your product (iii) service is required due to the failure of parts that are neither supplied by Apple nor Apple-branded, (iii) additional labor or parts are required that were not specified in the original estimated charges and you do not agree to authorize service based on Apple’s revised estimated charges, or (iv) service cannot be performed because the serial number has been altered, defaced or removed or the product has failed due to accident, abuse, liquid spill or submersion, neglect, misuse (including faulty installation, repair, or maintenance by anyone other than Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider), unauthorized modification, extreme environment (including extreme temperature or humidity), extreme physical or electrical stress or interference, fluctuation or surges of electrical power, lightning, static electricity, fire, acts of God or other external causes (“Service Exclusions”). Apple will return your product to you without servicing it and may charge you the Diagnostic Fee.

This is from Apple's Repair Terms and Conditions: https://www.apple.com/legal/sales-support/terms/repair/gener.... It doesn't say that the product will stop working, but it does say that Apple isn't responsible for fixing it if it goes wrong. I'm not sure if that could be extended to them not having to support your third party component in software, though.

Re:iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-... by pfortuny on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @01:32PM (#16803221)
Thanks.

You see it is really not very noticeable and the writing says nothing about hardware stopping working.

I guess we have both learnt from this exchange.

Thanks a lot.

Re:iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-... by Terretta on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @07:55AM (#16810198)
> the product has failed due to ... faulty installation, repair, or maintenance by anyone other than Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider

That sounds like it could be not working, with root cause as bad repair.

Re:iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-... by greglindahl on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:58PM (#16804069)
Did Joe's Fly By Night iPhone Non-Genuine Replacement Parts disclose that their replacement part wasn't the same as Apple's? Seems like that's where the onus lies.
Re:iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-... by saagarjha on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @04:10PM (#16804833)
Apple has a program for third-party stores that use genuine parts, the Apple Authorized Service Provider program. If the repair shop you go to isn't an AASP, then you can't say they have genuine parts.
Re:iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-... by opencl on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @12:53PM (#16802852)
Except this particular issue has absolutely nothing to do with TouchID or security at all. It's just the screen. Error 53 was significantly more justifiable.
Re:iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-... by saagarjha on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @01:03PM (#16802946)
I do realize the difference here; it's just that the parent brought up security, so I assumed that they were bringing up the case from two years ago.
Re:iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-... by pfortuny on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @01:08PM (#16802988)
Well, security was just a small part of my comment, anyway: you replied as if it were the main issue.