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Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by devmunchies on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:08AM (#16799386)
> ECCO Leather, the first soft goods supplier to commit to 100 percent clean energy for its Apple production

Animal product and clean energy? That’s an oxymoron. Animal agriculture is one of the most inefficient systems there is and a major contributor to climate change.

I’d hope the next step is to make a statement by doing without leather, if Apple is indeed trying to set forward thinking and progressive trends.

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by camillomiller on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:11AM (#16799396)
Yeah, that completely destroys anything good Apple has done to get to this result. Nothing matters if they have one supplier of a product that might not be that green. /s

It’s sad that the most upvoted comment has to be as always the contrarian picking the tiniest detail to diminish a laudable achievement.

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by devmunchies on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:32AM (#16799473)
1) you are making assumptions. I never indicated that it diminished their (impressive) achievement. Only that they have more to do to actually be 100% renewable.

2) I i was only at the top because my comment was brand new when you opened the thread.

3) it’s not a tiny detail. Animal agriculture is worse than the entire transportation industry combined.

4) even if I am being a contrarian, it is better than sarcasm and logical fallacies.

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by 24gttghh on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @10:54AM (#16801788)
>3) it’s not a tiny detail. Animal agriculture is worse than the entire transportation industry combined.

Let's base arguments on facts please.

US Greenhouse Emissions (specifically CO2) sources:

Agriculture: 9% of emissions.[0][1] (4.2% according to UCDavis[2])

Transportation: 27% of emissions.[0][1][2]

[0]https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emis...

[1]http://www.humanesociety.org/assets/pdfs/farm/hsus-fact-shee...

[2]http://www.caes.ucdavis.edu/news/articles/2016/04/livestock-...

And here is a report from the UN's FAO; it's not a comparison to other GHG sources, but it's good data nonetheless: http://www.fao.org/docrep/019/i3671e/i3671e.pdf

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by devmunchies on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @01:13PM (#16803037)
strange. this source is also from the epa and conflicts with your source https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emiss...

it says agriculture is 24% and transportation is 14%

confusing.

And UC Davis is one of the top agriculture schools in the world (I grew up near there) so its in their interest to support the ag industry since that is where a lot of funding comes from, so I'd take that with a grain of salt.

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by 24gttghh on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @01:29PM (#16803199)
Like most things, it is not always black and white:

Agriculture, Forestry, and Other Land Use (24% of 2010 global greenhouse gas emissions): Greenhouse gas emissions from this sector come mostly from agriculture (cultivation of crops and livestock) and deforestation. This estimate does not include the CO2 that ecosystems remove from the atmosphere by sequestering carbon in biomass, dead organic matter, and soils, which offset approximately 20% of emissions from this sector.[2]

Note these are Global stats, while my link is US only, and was focused on CO2.

edit: and it doesn't seem that any of these statistics contradict each other, but it all depends on if we are talking about global stats, US only stats, all GHG emissions, or just CO2.

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by camillomiller on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @03:45AM (#16799748)
1) Your comment read as diminishing

2) Ok, whatever

3) True that. I'm a vegetarian because of that, but I pretend to be a rational one. Th leather industry is mostly responsible for chemical pollution, though. You don't need to farm animals to make pouches and phone covers. It's not like Apple signed a contract with a cattle farm or something. I would consider that impact negligible, although I'm all for a ban on factory farming any day.

4) Contrarianism is exhausting.

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by djrogers on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @12:36PM (#16802717)
> 1) you are making assumptions. I never indicated that it diminished their (impressive) achievement. Only that they have more to do to actually be 100% renewable.

Cattle are completely renewable by any standard.

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by bdcravens on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:24AM (#16799438)
I'll step out on a limb here and say that ECCO doesn't raise animals strictly for their products, but sources leather from animals that have been used for additional purposes.
Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by redial on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @05:38AM (#16800117)
> Animal product and clean energy? That’s an oxymoron.

Not when you realize that clean energy refers only to the production and consumption of electricity and has nothing whatsoever to do with supplies or with animals of any kind, unless you are using electricity produced by cows running in a circle.

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by lazyman75 on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @08:11AM (#16800721)
"Clean" only if you ignore all those not-clean-no-matter-how-much-you-spin-it steps in manufacturing of solar panels ..