Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by sametmax on Monday April 09, 2018 @01:59PM
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Last time I checked, we had very decent municipal water in France. In many cities it actually tastes better than bottled water. Water sources are quite well protected as well. It's not perfect, but honestly much better than the swimming pool water I drank in the US.
So "Europe" is maybe a broad term here.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by tedunangst on Monday April 09, 2018 @05:24PM
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I think it's weird that whenever the subject of safe drinking water comes up, people immediately talk about how it tastes. As if that matters. I mean, lead is pretty tasty, too.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by sametmax on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:52AM
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Once you sampled enough public water in your month around the world, you tend to associate bad taste with bad quality. Water that doesn't make you sick has a very subtle one, or taste like a swimming pool. But you won't drink the second one so...
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by photojosh on Monday April 09, 2018 @08:02PM
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Nice TIL: lead acetate for me there.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by wuliwong on Monday April 09, 2018 @05:51PM
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Agreed about "Europe" being too broad a term. Another commenter mentioned a similar sentiment about making claims about the entire USA.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by dalore on Monday April 09, 2018 @04:38PM
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UK water is safe and decent. Although here in London it's very hard and so tastes like crap.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by TomMarius on Monday April 09, 2018 @02:14PM
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There are places where it's better or even very good in the Czech Rep. as well. The point is that sometimes, government fails horribly and there is no way out because well, it's the government, its whole job is to enforce its rule. BTW the USA as a whole is comparable to the EU as a whole in terms of corruption and competency.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by Retric on Monday April 09, 2018 @02:56PM
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Governments are very malleable over time. Change is not necessarily cheap, but it's also inherent.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by andrei_says_ on Monday April 09, 2018 @02:32PM
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One occurrence l of failure in one city in one European country is not an indication of ongoing issues in all European countries.
Would love to hear about systematic issues in Sweden, Germany, Norway, France, Belgium, Switzerland etc. All have strong government role in regulation and municipal water supplies.
Your comment implying political bias for everyone who disagrees with you is cheap rhetoric. And, the US is so far right on the political spectrum that anyone “leftist” there is likely to the right of the center in the EU.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by fpoling on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @01:46AM
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In Bergen, Norway a few years ago there was a problem with water contamination. Basically city negleted to upgrade the filtering system and after few atipically mild winters and/or population growth near watter sources some microorganisms managed to grow in sufficient quantities to pass through the old very basic filters. People in affected districts were advised to drink bottled water as even boiling watter was not enough to kill all microorganisms.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by sampleinajar on Monday April 09, 2018 @05:24PM
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>"Governments that do this in Europe fail horribly and just increase prices by huge multiples, nothing else."
That's a very strong statement to make based on one example. That would like saying that the US has no quality control, look at Flint. As an argument for less government, this just isn't very strong. It would help to show a systematic failure instead of a singular event. But, I could imagine if that were to happen where I live, I would be pretty angry at whoever caused it as well.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by ako on Monday April 09, 2018 @02:59PM
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That is not a proof that governments cannot regulate water quality. The water quality in the Netherlands is really good, tap water is better than most bottled waters.
All you have shown is that Czech government needs to improve.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by jupp0r on Monday April 09, 2018 @02:18PM
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Maybe it's your implementation of government, not the concept itself that's at fault. Having lived in Germany for 30 years, I never experienced anything like that nor met anyone who has.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by TomMarius on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @05:07AM
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You can't really make expectations based on literally one of the best cases.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by ash_gti on Monday April 09, 2018 @01:37PM
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Citations? I don't know much about European handling of drinking water.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by TomMarius on Monday April 09, 2018 @01:39PM
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http://www.radio.cz/en/section/news/two-charged-over-contami... (this is a government-sponsored public radio)
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by MatthiasP on Monday April 09, 2018 @05:16PM
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Austria here and I am very satisfied with my "socialist water" experience. Exposing basic requirements for survival to free market forces seems like a recipe for failure.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by wuliwong on Monday April 09, 2018 @05:56PM
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What about food?
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by englishrookie on Monday April 09, 2018 @02:06PM
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Maybe this is different in Eastern Europe (you know, the old Warsaw pact countries), but in Western Europe tap water is of very reliable quality, and consistently delivered.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by TomMarius on Monday April 09, 2018 @02:13PM
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I'm comparing the EU as a whole to the USA as a whole because it's pretty much the same in terms of competence and corruption. BTW Czech Republic is the most successful out one of Warsaw Pact countries and is on basically the same level as some of the western ones.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by detaro on Monday April 09, 2018 @05:55PM
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If that's what you want to say, then say that instead of making blanket claims that governments regulating drinking water fail horribly.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by Numberwang on Monday April 09, 2018 @02:03PM
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Well most of western Europe has cheap perfectly drinkable water. I don't think you can blame social democracy. Blame incompetent and corrupt locals.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by TomMarius on Monday April 09, 2018 @02:12PM
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The EU as a whole is very comparable to the USA as a whole in terms of competence and corruption. This was my point - somewhere it'd be OK or even very good, but somewhere it's going to be horrible and there is going to be no way out.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo...
by def_true_false on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:11PM
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I'd be very surprised if the water in Prague was consistently bad. One failure doesn't mean much in the big picture.
Edit: And it certainly isn't comparable to having water that's not safe to drink at all (bad water being the rule, rather than the exception).
I know HN is very leftist, so I expect downvotes. It'd be nice to have a discussion though.