Comcast, AT&T and Verizon pose a greater surveillance risk than Facebook

Re:Comcast, AT&T and Verizon pose a greater surveillance ris... by rconti on Friday April 06, 2018 @02:03PM (#16775628)

For the vast majority of customers, Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon know what sites you visit, what types of data you pass to them, every single DNS lookup you make, etc. Sorry, but this is FAR more intrusive than Facebook, which you CLAIM has lots of data on you even if you don't use their service. It's harder to avoid Google than it is to avoid Facebook, but again, it's doable.

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Re:Comcast, AT&T and Verizon pose a greater surveillance ris... by 411mrc on Friday April 06, 2018 @02:09PM (#16775720)

It's well known, not the poster's personal claim:

https://boingboing.net/2017/11/08/involuntary-profiling.html

FB goes so far as to buy your data from others, which is why I block all trackers. I'm sure I still leak data to FB, even though I never joined, and never will.

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Re:Comcast, AT&T and Verizon pose a greater surveillance ris... by rconti on Friday April 06, 2018 @02:26PM (#16775920)

Interesting! Thanks for the informative reply. This feels like the kind of thing I probably read about at some point but subsequently forgot.

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Re:Comcast, AT&T and Verizon pose a greater surveillance ris... by jacquesm on Friday April 06, 2018 @02:07PM (#16775686)

> For the vast majority of customers, Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon know what sites you visit

They know which IP addresses you connect to. Many of those host large numbers of websites.

> what types of data you pass to them

What do you mean with 'what types of data'? They can't access the headers of encrypted traffic.

> every single DNS lookup you make

Yes, that's true. And you can cache those locally.

> etc. Sorry, but this is FAR more intrusive than Facebook, which you CLAIM has lots of data on you even if you don't use their service.

Shadow profiles are a thing.

> It's harder to avoid Google than it is to avoid Facebook, but again, it's doable.

It's just about impossible. Every other email you send ends up in a gmail inbox. So even if you don't use their services at all your data still ends up with them. Even if you don't have a smartphone enough people around you will have them that your social graph will end up with Google anyway. And so on.

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Re:Comcast, AT&T and Verizon pose a greater surveillance ris... by hsivonen on Friday April 06, 2018 @04:47PM (#16777262)

> They know which IP addresses you connect to. Many of those host large numbers of websites.

And SNI reveals which one of the Web sites you are accessing.

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