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Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by smt88 on Friday April 06, 2018 @02:39AM (#16771373)
Vitamin D supplementation is also still controversial, so there isn't even good consensus on that.
Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by nabla9 on Friday April 06, 2018 @03:20AM (#16771534)
Vitamin D supplementation for vitamin D deficiency that is quite common is not controversial at all.

If you mean taking more D than is needed, your are correct.

You can measure the D vitamin levels from blood serum.

  <    30  nmol/L is vitamin D deficiency

  30 - 50  nmol/L is considered inadequate

  50 - 125 nmol/L is adequate

  >    150 nmol/L evidence of potential adverse effects 

Adequate level has increased over the years.
Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by cJ0th on Friday April 06, 2018 @03:43AM (#16771624)
but shouldn't you always complement vitamin d intake with vitamin k? If I recall correctly (I am not sure!) then vitamin d without vitamin k can be harmful.
Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by astrange on Friday April 06, 2018 @04:10AM (#16771738)
Vitamin K is found in vegetables, so you don't need to supplement it. I think the worry is that too much Vitamin D contributes to buildup in arteries over the long term, and K helps to clean it.
Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by Cthulhu_ on Friday April 06, 2018 @07:35AM (#16772421)
Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by literallycancer on Friday April 06, 2018 @07:31AM (#16772411)
>Vitamin K is found in vegetables

"Vegetables" is a category that's about as useful in this context as "food".

Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by 52-6F-62 on Friday April 06, 2018 @09:00AM (#16772835)
Greens.

I think with vitamin D supplementation you also need to consider vitamin A intake.

Spinach and eggs every morning more than covers you there

Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by astrange on Friday April 06, 2018 @08:03PM (#16778563)
Greens and broccoli are the only vegetables I believe in. Everything else is guinea pig food.
Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by Angostura on Friday April 06, 2018 @02:53AM (#16771424)
Vitamin D is the only supplement that the NHS recommends for the general population, particularly over winter. I’m happy to take it.
Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by s4vi0r on Friday April 06, 2018 @02:51AM (#16771413)
Can you elaborate? I've never heard anything about that before.

Your body can handle massive amounts of vitamin C and D, so its a bit surprising to hear that supplementing the (generally) small amount you'd find in a vit D pill could be harmful.

Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by rowyourboat on Friday April 06, 2018 @03:00AM (#16771455)
While it is basically impossible to overdose on Vitamin C, you can overdose on Vitamin D. It is fat-soluble, thus overdosing has a cumulative and delayed effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_D

However, that does not mean that vitamin D supplements are suspect in principle, just that before starting on a course of supplements, it might make sense to have your Vitamin D levels checked and the right dosage determined.

Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by im3w1l on Friday April 06, 2018 @03:13AM (#16771510)
From your page: > The recommended dietary allowance is 15 µg/d (600 IU per day; 800 IU for those over 70 years). Overdose has been observed at 1,925 µg/d (77,000 IU per day).

So it seems you could even take 10x the recommendation and be fine. The risk of a reasonable supplement pushing you into overdose territory seems negligible.

Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by vixen99 on Friday April 06, 2018 @06:57AM (#16772290)
Yes, indeed!

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(15)0...

"The evidence is clear that vitamin D toxicity is one of the rarest medical conditions and is typically due to intentional or inadvertent intake of extremely high doses of vitamin D (usually in the range of >50,000-100,000 IU/d for months to years)".

The significant advantages of D3 supplementation for sun-starved people are evident in the literature.

Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by AstralStorm on Friday April 06, 2018 @03:42AM (#16771620)
And according to EPIC series epidemiology somewhere between 2000 and 3000 IU seems best at total mortality. It is a very flat J curve though.
Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by mtgx on Friday April 06, 2018 @06:53AM (#16772274)
As far as I've heard 10,000 IU is regarded as almost definitely non-toxic, and toxicity seems to have been noticed around 40,000 IU per day.

However, in the summer you may want to drop that below 5,000 or even stop supplementing completely, depending how much you're in the sun.

Vitamin K2 also seems to be necessary in combination with D3. But it's not clear to me if 100 mcg MK-7 is enough or if you need to supplement Mk-4 more often or eat more MK-4 foods (the latter is probably preferable).

Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by logfromblammo on Friday April 06, 2018 @11:12AM (#16773826)
The largest-dose individual, non-prescription vitamin D supplement pill I have ever seen is 5000 IU, so you'd have to take 10 of those every day, for months, to develop a toxicity symptom. At that point, the per-pill cost of the supplement and the sheer number of pills combine to discourage overdose.

If you have a confirmed deficiency, a doctor can prescribe a limited course of higher-dose pills to get your serum levels back up quickly.

I take cholecalciferol (D3) and menatetrenone (K2-MK4) daily, along with a multivitamin that was essentially a gratis 2.7-year supply, thanks to a fortuitous coupon + sale price interaction, so it isn't actually just making my pee more expensive. I'd feel wasteful throwing it away after someone paid me to take it home, and it'd be great if it activated a placebo effect.

Also, I can't bring myself to like natto.

Re:Older Americans Are ‘Hooked’ on Vitamins by astrange on Friday April 06, 2018 @04:13AM (#16771749)
BTW, rumor has it the RDA was miscalculated and should be about twice as high.

https://examine.com/nutrition/should-1000-iu-be-the-new-rda-...