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Re:Swedes turn against cashlessness by mapgrep on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @01:01PM (#16746698)
>The state is anti-innovation

Let's look at "innovation" in consumer banking:

-Debit and credit cards physically show numbers that give full access to the accounts 40 years after modern public key cryptography was invented

-A very modest improvement to this system, known as PIN and chip, came to the U.S. recently after years in Europe and Asia; the Wall Street Journal has called this very basic change a "nightmare" more than a year into implementation, doubling average transaction times to 13 seconds (!!) in an informal test. Only 28 percent of merchants supported the technology.

-Checks physically show numbers that give full access to accounts

-The standard consumer "friendly" way of moving money electronically, ACH, involves banks FTP-ing massive text files to one another, batch processing them overnight, and clearing transactions in 24 hours or more.

-There is no used standard for peer to peer consumer electronic transfer

-Massive data breaches by banks have become incredibly common

-The response to endemic fraud is to revoke cards and mail new ones and/or to repair and monitor credit on an ad hoc basis

Re:Swedes turn against cashlessness by uniformlyrandom on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @01:29PM (#16746980)
> physically show numbers

That is backwards compatibility, not lack of innovation. You have (some) cryptography on the chip.

> Checks physically show numbers

That, again, is backwards compatibility.

> ACH, involves banks FTP-ing massive text files

Yes, that sucks.

> no used standard for peer to peer

Wire transfer?

> Massive data breaches by banks

Massive data breaches by everyone, this is not a bank problem - this is an industry-wide problem.

> response to endemic fraud is to revoke cards

What is your point here? Would you prefer to revoke a certificate instead? But we already established that pesky concept of backwards compatibility and real world.

Re:Swedes turn against cashlessness by fvdessen on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @01:29PM (#16746981)
> A very modest improvement to this system, known as PIN and chip, came to the U.S. recently after years in Europe and Asia.

Chip and PIN is a private initiative. I don't know why it took off in Europe/Asia and not in the USA, but it has little to do with the state.

Re:Swedes turn against cashlessness by mcguire on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @01:58PM (#16747320)
That would be mapgrep's point, I believe.