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Re:Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in... by magduf on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @08:52AM (#16744131)
Exactly. If a woman is smart enough to be a programmer, she's smart enough for other lucrative professions that are more social and have better advancement potential and job security, such as medicine (doctors, surgeoons), law, finance, etc. A lot of women go into programming because it's been hyped up so much, and then either going into management quickly or leaving the industry because they hate the work and how asocial it frequently is, and also because they feel like they're not really doing anything to help the world (and in the vast majority of programming jobs, it's true, you aren't).
Re:Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in... by nsgi on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @11:16AM (#16745427)
> If a woman is smart enough to be a programmer, she's smart enough for other lucrative professions

Women get rejected from law and med school too. That doesn't explain why they don't go into software.

> better advancement potential

Plenty of women go into fields without much advancement potential. If your argument is that in programming often the only way to advance is management, then that's also true of the vast majority of jobs, including accountancy which attracts a lot of women.

> job security

Programmers have very good job security compared to a lot of people these days. In particular, doing a law degree is a massive risk given how hard it is to land a traineeship, yet plenty of women still do law degrees.

> that are more social

What makes you assume that all women want jobs where they can be social? And what makes you say programming isn't a social job? It requires working with other people as part of a team. There's not much interaction with customers, but that's also true of a lot of accountancy/other office jobs that have an even gender ratio.

> A lot of women go into programming because it's been hyped up so much, and then either going into management quickly or leaving the industry because they hate the work

That's true of both men and women in teaching.

> and also because they feel like they're not really doing anything to help the world (and in the vast majority of programming jobs, it's true, you aren't).

How many lawyers, accountants, personal assistants or managers are directly doing something to help the world?

Re:Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in... by magduf on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @11:42AM (#16745749)
You're talking about different groups of women. The women who want to help the world don't usually go into accounting or law (except maybe environmental law or criminal defense), they go into teaching, social work, etc., which generally pay poorly, or they go into medicine, where they can make very good money (probably better than programming) and directly save peoples' lives too. The women who want to make money go into law, accounting, and medicine (some overlap here with the help-the-world group obviously).

>What makes you assume that all women want jobs where they can be social?

This has been shown by research. Women are trained from an early age to be more social than men.

>And what makes you say programming isn't a social job? It requires working with other people as part of a team.

I don't think I need to justify myself here. Most programming involves sitting at a computer and typing, and not in a group in real-time. It also certainly has a reputation for being asocial, though that's changed more recently with the "brogrammer" trend, but not for the better as far as women are concerned. It sure as hell isn't social the way medicine is, where the work is all about meeting one-on-one with patients all day long and working hands-on (usually literally) with them.

>Women get rejected from law and med school too. That doesn't explain why they don't go into software.

Well, for the med school rejects, I can't imagine what programming would offer them. They obviously want 1) a high-paying career, 2) to help people hands-on, 3) a social job. Programming might offer 1, and that's it. Women like this will probably fall back to nursing school, or maybe some other career that's more social and less technical than programming.

Really, the only good point you bring up here is that a lot of women go into accounting, since that does indeed seem to have a lot of overlap in career traits with programming.

Re:Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in... by icebraining on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @09:28AM (#16744391)
If a woman is smart enough to be a programmer, she's smart enough for other lucrative professions that are more social and have better advancement potential and job security, such as medicine (doctors, surgeoons), law, finance, etc.

Why isn't this true of men?

Re:Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in... by gluelogic on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @10:12AM (#16744743)
What he is saying is that, generally, given the choice, women will prefer social work to asocial work.
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Re:Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in... by d0lph on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @01:55PM (#16747293)
Why is it sexist to suggest that women might prefer different careers from men?
Re:Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in... by sudoke on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @03:02PM (#16747985)
Because suggestion that men and women in general are different is criminally sexist. It's what got us here in the first place.

People(republicans) need to get it through their heads that there are NO differences between men and women, period.

Re:Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in... by d0lph on Friday April 06, 2018 @03:10PM (#16776399)
Do you have any evidence for this?
Re:Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in... by gluelogic on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @12:28PM (#16746306)
I didn't present it as my attitude, which any careful reader would note. The person I was responding to seemed confused based on the question they asked.

I don't post on Reddit and you should keep your asinine suggestions to yourself. Either you got to this website an hour ago or are you are too much of a coward to stand by your convictions and accusations.

Re:Study shows salaries of young women 8% higher than men in... by magduf on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @11:45AM (#16745776)
It is true of many of them, and they do go into those other fields. IMO, however, there's a lot more "nerdy" personality types among men who are interested in the traits that the programming career offers, and that's why there's so many more men in the field. It is changing, however (see the "brogrammer" trend in the last decade or two), but that, if anything, is pushing women out of the field even more.