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Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by masklinn on Monday April 02, 2018 @02:18PM (#16737460)
Yeah. There are only three extant architectural license holders (Intel, AMD and VIA) and they're basically in a circular firing squad of patents.

To make their own chips, they'd need to either license from an existing holder (which wouldn't let them tinker unless it was a partnership or they acquired the license) or they'd need to make something so incredibly great the other three would trip over themselves to use it, and bind themselves in the process.

Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by jononor on Monday April 02, 2018 @02:28PM (#16737608)
If they wanted to go x86 they would just buy VIA? I think it will be aarch64
Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by MBCook on Monday April 02, 2018 @02:53PM (#16737922)
I’m not sure they can for this purpose. I remember people talking about the idea of buying AMD but it’s possible the license terms may say it doesn’t survive a purchase; making AMD or Via worthless for that purpose.
Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by Phrodo_00 on Monday April 02, 2018 @08:26PM (#16740779)
Unless the licensing terms are extremely lopsided, they'd still own AMD64 patents which EM64T is based on, and intel would need to strike a new deal. VIA's situation should be similar, but with other technologies.
Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by maxerickson on Monday April 02, 2018 @02:37PM (#16737725)
Without meaning to comment on whether it is likely or not, they could also easily buy AMD.

(Price tag would be in the ballpark of $15-20 billion, 3 months of income for Apple)

Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by Coffeewine on Monday April 02, 2018 @04:47PM (#16739121)
AMD's cross-licensing agreements are unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your point of view, nontransferable.

https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/amd-clar...

Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by zlynx on Monday April 02, 2018 @08:23PM (#16740756)
I wonder if "non-transferable" covers tricks like Apple loaning AMD the cash for AMD to buy Apple. Then renaming the new AMD to Apple. Then it would pay itself back for the loans.
Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by krylon on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @07:05AM (#16743478)
I vaguely remember that the licensing agreement between Intel and AMD (Intel licenses x86 to AMD, AMD licenses x86_64 to Intel) expires if AMD gets bought. Apple could renegotiate, but it would not be straightforward, I think.
Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by masklinn on Monday April 02, 2018 @02:43PM (#16737798)
> If they wanted to go x86 they would just buy VIA?

In theory, but then VIA is a subsidiary of Formosa Plastics Group, so they'd need to either negotiate the sale with an entity with which they've locked horns in the past or buy an entire petrochemical group???

They'd probably have an easier time buying AMD.

Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by jononor on Monday April 02, 2018 @03:40PM (#16738462)
Right, same group that owns HTC. They did have some big-ish lawsuits going with Apple some years back. So maybe not that easy, in practice.
Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by bitL on Monday April 02, 2018 @03:44PM (#16738500)
Money don't smell to them, memory in the business world is short if the price is right.
Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by Kubuxu on Monday April 02, 2018 @03:37PM (#16738428)
Replying to sibling comments.

They can't buy AMD (nobody can) for patents as licences on parts of x64 AMD doesn't own will be voided if AMD is ever acquired.