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Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by ucaetano on Thursday March 29, 2018 @07:21PM (#16712145)
"Tesla said it has only seen this problem occur in "very cold climates" where road salts are commonly used."

Ah, the usual "designed in the Bay Area" issue...

Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by mirimir on Thursday March 29, 2018 @10:55PM (#16713348)
It's a little overkill to characterize this as "faulty" steering. Given that it's a durability issue. And in any case, they're being proactive. Not dragging their feet as manufacturers did over corroding Takata airbag units.
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by rtx on Friday March 30, 2018 @06:09AM (#16714956)
Here is a different perspective from an owner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM5z0dW60KE

Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by alttab on Friday March 30, 2018 @12:24AM (#16713656)
And then we find out how a lack of power steering makes autopilot a death mode.
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by callesgg on Friday March 30, 2018 @05:21AM (#16714792)
It probably does, as the autopilot probably uses the power steering to steer.

That is why they tell you to not stop focusing on the road as you use it.

Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by mirimir on Friday March 30, 2018 @04:35PM (#16719598)
Yes, probably so. So maybe don't autopilot before the recall repair.
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by mirimir on Friday March 30, 2018 @05:53AM (#16714899)
I've driven mid-sized cars without power assisted brakes and steering, and they were manageable at moderate speed.
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by bayjorix on Friday March 30, 2018 @06:30AM (#16715018)
The important difference is that those cars were designed for you to steer and brake it without assistance. Different gear ratios and such.

I had to drive a modern car home once with the power brakes malfunctioning and I couldn't exert enough force (grabbing the steering wheel to give me leverage) to have safe braking power. I ended up going very slow in the emergency lane of the highway in second speed so that motor braking could help me stop. It was not fun.

Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by mirimir on Friday March 30, 2018 @04:43PM (#16719647)
No, this was a modern car, with power assisted steering and brakes. Steering required more force, but wasn't that hard. Braking was iffy, I admit, so I also used engine braking and the hand brake.

And yes, standard transmission. I was coasting downhill in neutral, with the engine etc off. Testing the running start protocol, for dealing with battery failure.

Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by shoo on Friday March 30, 2018 @08:41AM (#16715607)
i've driven an old car which had power assisted steering that would occasionally fail while the car was being driven. you could still turn the wheel, it just suddenly required a lot more effort.

i suggest this thing is mainly going to be a problem where the power-assist fails during a trip at some unpredictable and unfortunate moment. driving where you know you won't have power-assist for the entire trip would be far safer.

Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by annerajb on Thursday March 29, 2018 @07:49PM (#16712320)
Does not only affect Tesla the part is made by Bosch and also affects daimler.
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by tarboreus on Thursday March 29, 2018 @07:30PM (#16712199)
I think about DitBA whenever Siri says "Brrr!" to 39 F weather. Put on a sweater, Siri.
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by ethbro on Thursday March 29, 2018 @11:52PM (#16713555)
"I'm sorry, I don't understand 'sweater'."
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by Scoundreller on Thursday March 29, 2018 @09:43PM (#16712953)
Heh, happens all the time when you bring your car from a northeastern state to a mechanic in the south.

Why’s your car in such bad shape?

It’s called rust.

Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by Vogtinator on Friday March 30, 2018 @08:09AM (#16715437)
Rebuild it in rust! Wait...
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by raquo on Thursday March 29, 2018 @08:11PM (#16712451)
Not really, a lot of other manufacturers had recalls for various parts and even frames in excessive salt conditions.

It's just that such challenging environments trigger the problems first.

Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by ethbro on Thursday March 29, 2018 @11:53PM (#16713558)
Among others, Toyota Tacoma gen 2 frames for certain years were improperly factory coated and would rust straight through.
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by walshemj on Friday March 30, 2018 @07:31AM (#16715255)
There's a famous example from the UK told to mech eng students.

One make of car used the wrong type of fixing for the steering wheel and the wheel could come away in your hands :-)

Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by raquo on Friday March 30, 2018 @02:14PM (#16718489)
Ha. That actually happened to my dad decades ago (Russian cars lol)
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by jshaqaw on Thursday March 29, 2018 @07:50PM (#16712332)
Seriously -like my Beats Studio wireless which turn off in NYC winter!
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by kbos87 on Thursday March 29, 2018 @07:58PM (#16712381)
Get yourself some Massachusetts-designed Bose equipment :)
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by fgandiya on Thursday March 29, 2018 @08:15PM (#16712479)
Mine sometimes struggle in the winter though, especially with my phone in my pocket.
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by throw7 on Thursday March 29, 2018 @08:56PM (#16712726)
Honda recently moved to a capless gas filler that, in certain climates particularly, will collect water.
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by greglindahl on Thursday March 29, 2018 @08:14PM (#16712475)
Bay Area people are known to spend a lot of time in Tahoe when it's cold. So this is more, "Let's repeat that untrue joke about people in the Bay Area knowing nothing about winter."
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by soperj on Thursday March 29, 2018 @11:48PM (#16713536)
hahaha average low in Lake Tahoe is -5 degrees C (23 F). When you think that's cold, then you truly do know nothing about winter.
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by greglindahl on Friday March 30, 2018 @12:01AM (#16713585)
Given that the flaw revolves around road salt, and not the absolute temperature, yeah, doesn't matter in this particular case.
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by beamatronic on Friday March 30, 2018 @12:57AM (#16713785)
Regardless of whether Tahoe winters are “real winter” or not, I don’t think they use salt in CA because of the environmental effects downstream - I believe they use sand instead.
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by grzm on Friday March 30, 2018 @12:59AM (#16713792)
This prompted me to look up which states salt and which don't, and I learned the term "Salt Belt":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Belt

(And yeah, you're right: CA isn't one of them.)

Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by greglindahl on Friday March 30, 2018 @01:07AM (#16713825)
California has a variety of climate areas, and a little googling tells me that they use various kinds of salt in the high Sierras, including the Tahoe area. Also, half of Tahoe is in Nevada, which uses salt.

Sand only works when it's barely freezing. Which can be true at low elevations, but not at 10,000'.

Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by maxerickson on Friday March 30, 2018 @07:12AM (#16715186)
It depends. Michigan uses sand when it's too cold for salt to have any effect.
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by soperj on Friday March 30, 2018 @02:44AM (#16714207)
they use sand and gravel in Edmonton. Which is below barely freezing.
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by Cretin2 on Friday March 30, 2018 @09:17AM (#16715786)
Edmonton is barely below freezing in the winter?!?
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by soperj on Friday March 30, 2018 @12:39PM (#16717604)
Almost thought I screwed it up... "below barely freezing", not barely below freezing.
Re:Tesla issues its largest recall ever over faulty Model S ... by Aloha on Friday March 30, 2018 @01:56AM (#16714016)
Normally I'd be the first to beat up on Tesla for not actually knowing how to really design or build a car (they don't) - but in this case, its not as if they're the first auto manufacturer with a similar problem.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/ford-recalls-355000-vehicle...

(To be clear, my issues with Tesla is that they do not have the internal manufacturing expertise - or the design expertise for automobiles, and this shows thru parts availability, several recalls, and their slow pace of production - you can't design components with the same tolerances you'd build a MacBook Pro with, and use them on a car, and expect it to work well for manufacturing at scale)