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Re:Why I’m quitting GMO research by Obi_Juan_Kenobi on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @08:56PM (#16703629)
You can grow food however you like, for the most part. If you want to participate in certification, then that's what you have to do.

Furthermore, many modern 'organic' methods are anything but centuries old. Heavy use of Bacillus thuringiensis toxin, copper compounds, compost tea, etc. etc. are all quite new. That's not to say they aren't safe; there are a few practices which warrant more scrutiny, but for the most part they're alright. But the point is that many people are terribly mischaracterizing actual farming practices.

Re:Why I’m quitting GMO research by SlowBro on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @09:27PM (#16703802)
> You can grow food however you like, for the most part. If you want to participate in certification, then that's what you have to do.

Yes you can grow as you like but it seems backwards to me that you have to prove you are /not/ doing unusual things. If any regulation should occur it ought to be in doing the /unusual/ things.

> Furthermore, many modern 'organic' methods

I'm not speaking of newer methods. I would have any new method more strictly regulated until proven.

Re:Why I’m quitting GMO research by thunfischbrot on Thursday March 29, 2018 @02:28AM (#16704957)
I am not arguing against your core point, but would like to point out that "unusual" itself is going to be difficult to define, as are terms such as "natural".
Re:Why I’m quitting GMO research by SlowBro on Thursday March 29, 2018 @08:44AM (#16706522)
Unusual in the sense that it has not been practiced for hundreds of years and proven out. The short-term studies typically done with new practices are annoyingly inconsistent with reality. Time and lots of exposure are needed.

There’s lies, there’s damned lies, and then there’s studies. Monsanto’s maize study was only done for 90 days and then got approved. When the same study was replicated for two years, significant health issues were discovered.[1]

And by the way, Monsanto was the only one required to confirm that the study showed positive results. Safety testing is not done by the FDA, only required by the company, who may or may not be telling the truth about the results.[2]

Lies, damned lies, and studies.

So the question remains: Why should I if I were farming have to spend a lot of time, effort, and money to prove what I am not doing? Shouldn't it be the other way 'round?

[1] https://www.gmoseralini.org/faq-items/why-this-study-now/

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16704019

Re:Why I’m quitting GMO research by AstralStorm on Thursday March 29, 2018 @09:21AM (#16706760)
So ban almost all pest control practices then. Most have been developed in 1900s making them not even 100 years old.

Then welcome the next potato blight...

Re:Why I’m quitting GMO research by SlowBro on Thursday March 29, 2018 @09:57AM (#16707079)
Please don’t make this more difficult than it needs to be. There are practices that the fruits of that labor, every human being has either consumed and/or his ancestors has consumed, across the entire face of the planet, for dozens of generations, including pesticides. Accepting those by default and holding back new practices seems a far smarter approach, to me.

But then I live in the United States where we do quite a number of backwards things.

I don’t have all day to sit around debating so take my thoughts as they are. You may have the last word. Good day and God bless.