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Re:Au Revoir by geofft on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @12:45PM (#16699325)
> Companies that succeed are driven by burning vision, not by day-to-day operation people.

What is the evidence for this? We can throw anecdotes like Apple on one side and Unilever on the other, sure, but is there any study saying e.g. "Of these 100 promising companies founded in 1990, x% of the founder-led ones were successful by 2010 whereas y% of the outside-CEO-led ones were?"

Making a bold claim like "Companies that succeed have X cool-sounding behavior" is the realm of business books in airport bookstores. It would be nice to take a more data-driven approach.

Re:Au Revoir by kornish on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @02:15PM (#16700264)
Noam Wasserman (Harvard, USC) studies exactly this in a paper called "Rich vs King". As you can guess from the name, the conclusion is that bringing in outside generally management maximizes the expected value of equity.

https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma

Re:Au Revoir by geofft on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @02:54PM (#16700634)
Thanks!

One thing the article brings up is that "success" may not be synonymous with "financial success". If you have a specific burning vision for a thing that should exist in the world, it might not be the most profitable thing, and the founder staying on is probably a good way for exactly that product to exist - but an outside CEO might choose to compromise the product vision and significantly expand the potential market in doing so.

Re:Au Revoir by kornish on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @04:10PM (#16701453)
Very true!

I suspect involuntary founder replacement is much more common in venture-funded companies. While your, my, and the founder's definitions of success may not be synonymous with "financial success", many VCs and their LPs may not feel the same. Obviously it's tricky to fully generalize, but the point is that VC can be expensive if founder and investor motivations aren't closely aligned.

Re:Au Revoir by LaGrange on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @01:26PM (#16699773)
> What is the evidence for this?

GP's burning vision, of course.

I once had my vision burn so hard my landlord charged me for the floor paneling.

Re:Au Revoir by ineedasername on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @01:21PM (#16699720)
Also, the vast majority of startups do not lack for drive & vision, but most will fail. Vision may be necessary for a new company, but it certainly isn't sufficient.
Re:Au Revoir by sjburt on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @02:40PM (#16700502)
It's also entirely possible that Jobs would have run Apple into the ground in the mid 80s. Apple III and Lisa were expensive, unmitigated failures, and the Mac arrived as Jobs was leaving. Would Jobs have gone along with the high-price/high-margin strategy of Sculley/Gassee?
Re:Au Revoir by microtherion on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @04:41PM (#16701723)
Was about to say exactly that. Yes, Jobs 2.0 was a massive success at Apple, but it's not clear to me that Apple would have survived the 1.0 -> 2.0 learning curve.
Re:Au Revoir by s2g on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @02:26PM (#16700366)
It’s the standard HN cult of the founder post. Goes right along with the idea that early employees deserve pretty much nothing because “it’s the founders taking all the risk”.
Re:Au Revoir by goatherders on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @03:28PM (#16701012)
Agreed. It's amazing how many people (including many here) prioritize being CEO of a successful company over being the founder of a successful company. Attaching your Self worth to the continued adoration of others in the business community is silly and dangerous. I know people who founded hugely successful businesses and their moving on from being CEO played a big role.