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Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by djsumdog on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @09:13PM (#16694337)
I think with all the other things we've learned about their self driving program, it's unlikely to return. Months before this, there were other articles posted here that talked about how some safety drivers needed to step in every couple of minutes.

Uber's model is based around selling at a loss to undercut Taxis, Lyft and other ride sharing companies, just enough to keep the investment capital coming in, with the hopes of ultimately cutting costs by removing the driver.

Even with Waymo, GM, Tesla and others, I don't think we're going to realistically see wide scale deployment for autonomous vehicles within the next ten years. They have money to burn. Uber doesn't.

There's a lot of tax money going into that research too and it really needs to be fed back into the public transport infrastructure that's crumbling around the US. I wish research on autonomous road vehicles stayed in the private sector. They're cool tech, but they'll be useless if systems like the NYC Metro and Chicago CTA fall apart.

Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by ehnto on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @09:57PM (#16694579)
I don't believe they will ever be widespread with infrastructure how it currently is. I don't believe it's the correct problem to be solving either.

I feel self driving cars are a stop-gap for better public transport inside smarter layouts of cities where cars are not the primary method of getting people and stuff around.

The only good fit for autonomous cars I see is long distance suburban commutes, or highway commutes, which is more a symptom of suburbia than a smart way to layout a city.

Part of my reasoning involves the dispelling the assumption that we have a right to a car and road based travel option, so I get that I am probably in a minority of thought process.

I also love my cars, love travelling on the open road and love combustion engines. But I would give it up for a safer, cleaner and more personable, community focused city.

Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by CydeWeys on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @10:02PM (#16694609)
It's easier to make cars self-driving than to fundamentally re-architect the layout of every single city in the nation, though. We've always had these grand transportation ideas. They don't seem to pan out.
Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by dragonwriter on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @09:50AM (#16697584)
> It's easier to make cars self-driving than to fundamentally re-architect the layout of every single city in the nation, though.

We did that for cars, though, so it's not unprecedented.

Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by ehnto on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @10:51PM (#16694851)
I absolutely agree, it's probably too late for established cities and suburban sprawl. I guess I just hope for a better solution than autonomous cars.

I guess this is just a step in the evolution of per-individual transport, and eventually we will get rid of roads and automobiles as we know them for self-locomoting ambiguous transport pods that don't need big asphalt/concrete roads.

We waste so much space to roads and bespoke parking lots.

Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by djsumdog on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @04:33PM (#16701640)
No, that's totally wrong. The United States use to have more passenger rail than Europe did today. It happened over a very short period of time and it can be made better in a short period of time. Seattle's ST3 project could prove this if it moves the suburban areas close together around rail stations.

There's a great Wendover video one this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cjfTG8DbwA

Transportation is the single greatest factor in reducing the number of people in poverty in a city. This isn't just opinion, there are a number of studies that suggest this. American can greatly reduce poverty, pollution and gridlock if we got over our apprehension to rails.

Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by ehnto on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @10:55PM (#16704188)
Do you mean it's wrong that it's too late? I hope so, it is just hard to see the incumbent attitude and industries that support it going away quite so easily.

I think we might be in agreeance, and I am all for more rail and public transport. My little prediction was just musing about a possible outcome should we follow the autonomous car route, which I think would be the wrong choice.

I am happy to see that there are some projects working on alternatives (or I guess in some ways, bringing back what used to work).

With extensive rail comes easier cycling infrastructure as well, as it just follows the rail and is separated from the car traffic. It's a much more positive outcome for many reasons.

Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by r00fus on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @10:50PM (#16694847)
You also only pit yourself against Big Oil instead of also against Big Auto and city planners.
Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by ehnto on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @12:34AM (#16695307)
It would take a complete uprooting of transport as we know it, no doubt. I suspect it would take something drastic like a federal ban on automobiles. Not going to happen.
Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by umanwizard on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @07:10AM (#16696822)
It’s panning out just fine here in NYC.
Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by ggg9990 on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @10:50PM (#16694844)
Uber is not going to give up just because they killed one “loser” (probably how they think of her, given that they let an unsafe product on the road to kill her). The thought of cutting all the “losers” on their payroll and replacing them with enslaved robots is too appealing to them.