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Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by CydeWeys on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @10:02PM (#16694609)
It's easier to make cars self-driving than to fundamentally re-architect the layout of every single city in the nation, though. We've always had these grand transportation ideas. They don't seem to pan out.
Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by dragonwriter on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @09:50AM (#16697584)
> It's easier to make cars self-driving than to fundamentally re-architect the layout of every single city in the nation, though.

We did that for cars, though, so it's not unprecedented.

Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by ehnto on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @10:51PM (#16694851)
I absolutely agree, it's probably too late for established cities and suburban sprawl. I guess I just hope for a better solution than autonomous cars.

I guess this is just a step in the evolution of per-individual transport, and eventually we will get rid of roads and automobiles as we know them for self-locomoting ambiguous transport pods that don't need big asphalt/concrete roads.

We waste so much space to roads and bespoke parking lots.

Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by djsumdog on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @04:33PM (#16701640)
No, that's totally wrong. The United States use to have more passenger rail than Europe did today. It happened over a very short period of time and it can be made better in a short period of time. Seattle's ST3 project could prove this if it moves the suburban areas close together around rail stations.

There's a great Wendover video one this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cjfTG8DbwA

Transportation is the single greatest factor in reducing the number of people in poverty in a city. This isn't just opinion, there are a number of studies that suggest this. American can greatly reduce poverty, pollution and gridlock if we got over our apprehension to rails.

Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by ehnto on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @10:55PM (#16704188)
Do you mean it's wrong that it's too late? I hope so, it is just hard to see the incumbent attitude and industries that support it going away quite so easily.

I think we might be in agreeance, and I am all for more rail and public transport. My little prediction was just musing about a possible outcome should we follow the autonomous car route, which I think would be the wrong choice.

I am happy to see that there are some projects working on alternatives (or I guess in some ways, bringing back what used to work).

With extensive rail comes easier cycling infrastructure as well, as it just follows the rail and is separated from the car traffic. It's a much more positive outcome for many reasons.

Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by r00fus on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @10:50PM (#16694847)
You also only pit yourself against Big Oil instead of also against Big Auto and city planners.
Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by ehnto on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @12:34AM (#16695307)
It would take a complete uprooting of transport as we know it, no doubt. I suspect it would take something drastic like a federal ban on automobiles. Not going to happen.
Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by umanwizard on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @07:10AM (#16696822)
It’s panning out just fine here in NYC.