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Re:Dark Patterns, the Ratchet by mindslight on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @03:43PM (#16692054)
The longstanding root of the problem is that we're relying on software that is under the control of an adversarial party, especially for creating a UI. This necessarily means that incentives are misaligned, and we are left as an unaccompanied homo sapien to be outwitted by the machine in front of us that we may have paid for, but that does not work for us.

It will be interesting to see where the GDPR goes, especially with regards to surveillance companies we don't directly interact with. But as long as we continue to do things like utilize a specific retailer's software for researching and planning purchases, the incentives are for that retailer to design that software to push us into funneling as much business (and extraneous personal data!) as possible to themselves.

Re:Dark Patterns, the Ratchet by xg15 on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @05:49PM (#16693061)
> The longstanding root of the problem is that we're relying on software that is under the control of an adversarial party, especially for creating a UI.

One of the original ideas of the "semantic web" was that the entities that provide data and the entities that display the data should be decoupled and freely combinable by the user.

That idea didn't gain particularly large support with website developers.

I wonder why... /s

Re:Dark Patterns, the Ratchet by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @10:57PM (#16694887)
> the entities that provide data and the entities that display the data should be decoupled and freely combinable by the user

Honest question: does Google AMP [1] fit this mold?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Mobile_Pages

Re:Dark Patterns, the Ratchet by yjftsjthsd-h on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @12:04AM (#16695182)
Isn't that still tightly coupled from the publisher to Google?
Re:Dark Patterns, the Ratchet by always_good on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @08:30PM (#16694094)
Because there isn't much incentive to do something that makes it easier to not get paid for your content?

It already rubs me the wrong way when Google scrapes content from sites. I'm not surprised the dream failed if that's what it was.

Re:Dark Patterns, the Ratchet by kilburn on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @09:30PM (#16694422)
"/s" at the end of a comment means the author was being sarcastic ;)
Re:Dark Patterns, the Ratchet by dmitrygr on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @09:31PM (#16694429)
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Re:Dark Patterns, the Ratchet by kobrad on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @04:36PM (#16692507)
To make things worse UI is still a largely unsolved matter. Imagine being in the time of tillers instead of steering wheels but somehow splice in privacy and personal data. The more I read about this the more everything feels like a bad scifi novel.
Re:Dark Patterns, the Ratchet by TeMPOraL on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @05:16PM (#16692792)
What do you mean by "UI is still a largely unsolved matter"?

The way I see it, UI was solved somewhen in the 70s. Since then, we're only redoing the same building blocks with more or less glitter, and composing them in the same usual ways.

The problem is, really, that user-hostile interfaces are designed on purpose, to trick users.