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Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by golergka on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @06:23AM (#16686935)
Facebook employees and tech workers in general have a much wider spectrum of opinions that what echo chambers like HN allow. I personally know a lot of Facebook, Apple and Microsoft employees who voted Trump. Palantir employees who are very proud about their jobs and believe that they're making a positive impact on the world. Uber employees who believe that they're engaged in a good fight against regulation and bureaucracy. What's common for all of them, though, is that they generally keep these opinions to themselves and know better than venting them on HN, Techcrunch and social media.
Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by pavlov on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @06:41AM (#16687016)
Clearly San Francisco needs an annual Surveillance Capitalism Pride Parade.
Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by knowThySelfx on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @06:50AM (#16687054)
What will happen if you don't tow the line? Will there be tolerance?
Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by pavlov on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @06:57AM (#16687087)
You’ll be patiently explained how your genetic layout or gender makes it harder for you to understand things. You’ll even get a printout of that personalized 10-page memo so you can study it at home.
Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by golergka on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @07:44AM (#16687367)
This thread is exactly what I'm talking about.

Making fun of "the other side" through strawmen and irony will earn you social points among people with the same views, of course. meanwhile, people that you make fun of will think before venting their opinions the next time among you or on this platform in general.

What it will not accomplish, though, is changing anybody's minds. Just make the forum more of an echo chamber which creates an illusion of political consensus.

Do you want to leave in an illusion? Do you think that bullying people of opposite political opinions into shutting up helps your political agenda in any way? Or, may be, you're setting yourself up for another big surprise come next election?

Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by pavlov on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @07:53AM (#16687419)
You were talking about people who work at Palantir and Uber. They are in a position of power relative to 99% of the population. These are not the “forgotten men” of Trumpist rhetoric.

Making fun of their self-victimization is not bullying either. Do you really think Palantir employees are a group that needs to be protected from semianonymous Internet comments?

Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by golergka on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @08:30AM (#16687630)
I regret using the word "bullying" in my comment now. I do think that it is a correct word, but it's not what I wanted to argue about, and it completely derailed the conversation to a realm of value judgements.

Can we talk about it without value judgements whatsoever, please? I don't think that we'll come to terms about who's a victim, who needs protection, and so on - but most of all, I think that these questions are inconsequential and boring.

What I'm interested are the objective things that we can agree on regardless our political stances. So, I want to ask my question again: do you think that your comments help your political cause in any way?

Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by pavlov on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @09:43AM (#16688238)
I'm genuinely not sure what you want to talk about if values and feelings are excluded.

Your original comment calls HN an echo chamber and suggests that people who work at Apple, Uber and Palantir are afraid to express their political views. That's entirely about feelings. What specifically was it that you wanted to discuss there?

Maybe it's not helpful to make a joke of it. But I honestly think it's a ridiculous notion that people with six-figure salaries and stock options are somehow being discriminated against — in a society that's built to support them at every step.

Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by golergka on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @11:32AM (#16689462)
It seems that you confuse several loosely associated concepts as if they were the same thing called "discrimination". I think that it happens because you look at this, trying to determine, who's privileged and who's not, all in terms of value judgements - and that's absolutely not what I'm talking about. It's not about defending or attacking other people and their interests. It really doesn't matter if they're "discriminated against" or not - it's a stupid and loaded word that is used by everybody in a different way.

I only ask about things that matter personally to you. It's about your rational self-interest, and nobody else's. Do you want to be in an echo chamber where everybody has the same political opinion? Does it really benefit you? Does it benefit your political agenda to push out and silence your political opponents?

Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by pavlov on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @12:37PM (#16690201)
I still don't get what you're saying.

Your original comment talks about echo chambers and insinuates that people at Uber or Palantir "know better" than to discuss their political opinions.

Was that a good faith attempt to engage in discussion? What kind of response did you expect? How does it benefit you to come in and say the equivalent of "you all suck and wouldn't listen to me anyway"?

Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by golergka on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @12:43PM (#16690271)
> Was that a good faith attempt to engage in discussion?

Yes.

> What kind of response did you expect?

Something like this.

> How does it benefit you to come in and say the equivalent of "you all suck and wouldn't listen to me anyway"?

I don't hope to change your mind. But I want to change the mind of all the people reading this thread.

Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by Yoric on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @11:26AM (#16689396)
I don't think that golergka is talking about discrimination. This thread is about discussing with Facebook employees. Mocking the people with whom you attempt to open communication doesn't strike me (or golerka, apparently) as being very efficient at that.
Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by knowThySelfx on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @07:00AM (#16687104)
Oh how I mistook them!
Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by qwerty456127 on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @06:35AM (#16686983)
There is nothing wrong in telling what do you feel about something when you are asked. And there is no problem in expressing an unpopular opinion on HN as you can sign-up anonymously at any time and just share whatever thoughts you want.
Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by adav on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @07:14AM (#16687175)
To play devil's advocate, in an arena where all comments are ordered by votes, the unpopular opinion would simply be downvoted to oblivion and not seen anyway. Why would someone with a contentious opinion go to the bother?
Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by qwerty456127 on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @08:27AM (#16687609)
Many (not the majority but still many) people scroll straight to the bottom to see what happens to be there after reading the top comments and also quick-read the comments in the middle (as there actually are many valuable comments on HN).

Anyway, hesitating to say something is not always the best idea, maybe it ought to be said aloud while everybody hesitates.

Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by knowThySelfx on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @07:22AM (#16687223)
Indeed. I had the same thoughts in mind.
Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by golergka on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @08:33AM (#16687646)
> And there is no problem in expressing an unpopular opinion on HN as you can sign-up anonymously at any time and just share whatever thoughts you want.

People are social creatures, programmed to respond to approval and disapproval from others. This includes replies as well as votes. It's irrational, but that's who we are.

Now, try registering an alternative account on HN and write political comments, polite, articulated, and reasonable, from a conservative point of view. What do you think the response will be like? Will you feel encouraged to proceed, or will you feel (emphasis on "feel", as these things are emotional and not rational) that you'd rather not continue with your point of view?

Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by dingo_bat on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @07:16AM (#16687186)
Nothing wrong until Google fires you for it.
Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by danpalmer on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @07:32AM (#16687282)
I see quite a lot of those views here, I'm often surprised at the amount of support they get here.
Re:Ask HN: What do Facebook employees think about their comp... by brepl on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @06:56AM (#16687082)
Which of these opinions would be surprising?