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Re:It's not just Facebook. Thousands of companies are spying... by amanzi on Monday March 26, 2018 @11:02PM (#16684838)
This is the tradeoff for getting free stuff on the internet. But surely there has to be a balance between watching adverts to pay for free services, and handing over all privacy in return.
Re:It's not just Facebook. Thousands of companies are spying... by toomanybeersies on Monday March 26, 2018 @11:04PM (#16684849)
The bigger irk for me is when you pay a company for a product, and then they still sell your data anyway.
Re:It's not just Facebook. Thousands of companies are spying... by ShorsHammer on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @12:09AM (#16685156)
Exactly, the "you paid nothing so you're the product" trope is patently false.

Spend $1000's a year on sites that are still highly invasive. Using blockers and disabling js often breaks them. Does this business really need to send my data off to a dozen 3rd parties to upsell me on a drillbit set?

Re:It's not just Facebook. Thousands of companies are spying... by beagle3 on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @09:54AM (#16688342)
It’s not false.

If you didn’t pay, you are the product.

If you did pay, you may or may not be the product. But that’s not covered by the trope.

Re:It's not just Facebook. Thousands of companies are spying... by feelin_googley on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @12:51AM (#16685343)
Perspicuous!

Why do it? Because they can?

Without Javascript it would not be as easy.

With the help of the "modern browser" and its defaults, its like shooting fish in a barrel.

The original HTTP/1.1 RFC has some reasonably low limits on simultaneous connections; todays ad-sponsored browsers ignore them.

Turn off Javascript and the web marketing Rube Goldberg machines begin to fail.

Most web pages try to coax users into turning on Javascript, or even installing a different browser.

At this point, a web developer will jump in and try to convince us the web cannot work without Javascript.

This is false. There was e-commerce on the web before Java1 or Javascript.

1. Java began life as a language intended to be embedded in devices. It was repurposed to be a scripting language for the web. That was a failure.

Javascript is a "success" but in the ways that it is abused, it can be every bit as annoying as a 1990s Java applet.

Re:It's not just Facebook. Thousands of companies are spying... by 2sk21 on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @03:16AM (#16686059)
If I subscribe to a website with real money, I feel free to block all trackers via Ghostery.
Re:It's not just Facebook. Thousands of companies are spying... by crx087 on Monday March 26, 2018 @11:26PM (#16684957)
> This is the tradeoff for getting free stuff on the internet.

Why?

I’ve been a webdev for 20-something years, and it sure didn’t used to be the tradeoff.

Re:It's not just Facebook. Thousands of companies are spying... by r00fus on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @01:23AM (#16685498)
Remember GWB's "ownership society"? That's what you get in an ownership society - massive rent-seeking.

When you have systemic rent-seeking, any sort of gift-economy is priced out.

Re:It's not just Facebook. Thousands of companies are spying... by quadrangle on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @12:03AM (#16685129)
Except when it isn't. This is not the trade-off for the vast value of Wikipedia or Archive.org.
Re:It's not just Facebook. Thousands of companies are spying... by horsecaptin on Monday March 26, 2018 @11:45PM (#16685059)
And this is what makes me wary of apps like Signal as well. Who pays for the servers and why are they free?
Re:It's not just Facebook. Thousands of companies are spying... by quadrangle on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @12:09AM (#16685160)
You could just look up the answers. https://signal.org/blog/signal-foundation/ describes an aligned philanthropist helping start the 501(c)(3) foundation that supports Signal.

Another resource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software) happens to come from a completely-free-of-3rd-party-ads-yet-free platform…

It's good to be wary, but the idea that nothing is ever free is actually wrong and helps make people think they have to give up something or pay etc. even when they don't need to. We need to get beyond "How can it be free‽ There must be some catch!" and to the reality of just "Is this really free without a catch?"

Because we should be wary but not give into the idea that free is actually too good to be true. Things can actually be free, and people can actually be pro-social in their motivations.

Re:It's not just Facebook. Thousands of companies are spying... by witten on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @12:05AM (#16685134)
Signal Foundation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_Foundation

Paid for by Brian Acton's conscience.

Re:It's not just Facebook. Thousands of companies are spying... by RobertDeNiro on Monday March 26, 2018 @11:35PM (#16685000)
I'm pretty sure companies that offer paying services also spy. Basically everyone does.