News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it by JumpCrisscross on Sunday March 25, 2018 @07:48PM (#16675370)
> Once your revenue exceeds x million USD on ad supported services that are free for end users, you must offer the service also for money with reasonable margin on top of the actual production costs, with strong guarantees that the data of end user who has opted for paid service is kept private and not monetized anyhow

I like the size threshold but not the solution. Toying with business models should be a solution of last resort.

Simpler: for companies with more than X users or Y gross revenues, an American GDPR. Consumers get an absolute right to audit and delete their data. Explicit consent is required for each instance of third-party sharing. Companies are liable to their users for breaches, with a minimum amount directly claimable by users through an easily-accessibly regulator.

Re:Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it by amluto on Sunday March 25, 2018 @08:35PM (#16675604)
Why a size threshold? An American GDPR seems like a fine idea, especially if it’a similar enough to GDPR that complying with one gets the other for free.
Re:Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it by mattnewton on Sunday March 25, 2018 @08:40PM (#16675635)
Size threshold is presumably to allow small startups to grow and explore models without crushing compliance costs. That’s the kind of regulation that protects incumbents who can afford the lawyers and software tools to do compliance properly.

There tends to be an inverse relationship between regulation in a space and incumbents springing up, for better or for worse

Re:Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it by amluto on Monday March 26, 2018 @10:15AM (#16679030)
There's a fine line between "grow and explore models without crushing compliance costs" and "break all the rules so you can outcompete established players". Hi, Uber!
Re:Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it by daveFNbuck on Monday March 26, 2018 @11:46AM (#16679723)
Correctly handling user data is much cheaper if you bake it in from the start. The real costs are in figuring out how to follow GDPR when you already have private user data saved all over the place and suddenly need to be able to do things like permanently remove all identifiable information for a single user.

It isn't a huge loss if we no longer explore models that require violating privacy protections to get off the ground.

Re:Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it by AFNobody on Sunday March 25, 2018 @08:51PM (#16675691)
The overhead cost of compliance with something like GDPR would probably kill most small startups that had a data-backed business model.
Re:Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it by KozmoNau7 on Monday March 26, 2018 @02:00AM (#16676940)
There isn't really that much overhead, especially if you keep the GDPR in mind from the beginning. The big costs happen at older and larger companies that had very lax procedures before.

I bet it will not inhibit startups in the EU.

Re:Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it by zaarn on Monday March 26, 2018 @03:09AM (#16677186)
To some part I think the GDPR is intended to make it easier for startups in Europe to compete with US services on the EU market.

In recent times, being a privacy-aware service is a selling point and the EU services can easily advertise as being privacy-first to US citizens while US companies will have trouble doing so (considering SESTA/FOSTA and CLOUD act)

Re:Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it by piaste on Monday March 26, 2018 @03:09AM (#16677190)
Do we want startups to have a "data-backed business model"?
Re:Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it by idrios on Monday March 26, 2018 @06:25AM (#16677875)
Yeah we do. While I don't like Google tracking where I am from my cell phone when location-sharing is off, I love listening to music on Pandora and Spotify and I would never discover the new songs I do if there was no option to like or ban songs and evolve the station.
Re:Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it by annabellish on Monday March 26, 2018 @08:34AM (#16678349)
I don't see how either of those are "data-backed business models". Pandora/Spotify have a very clear draw for people which exists regardless of how much data they store on people. They absolutely can and do use data to _enhance_ their core offering, but if they stopped overnight it would not cripple their business immediately.
Re:Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it by kazen44 on Monday March 26, 2018 @11:06AM (#16679439)
Both aslo offer a very clear service, (streaming music) and both only really collect data to improve your music experience.

Facebook seems to grab whatever it can, just to make money.

Re:Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it by lithos on Monday March 26, 2018 @08:57AM (#16678471)
People that are willing to pay are your ad targets. Such a system devalues the rest of your base.
Re:Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it by whatshisface on Sunday March 25, 2018 @07:51PM (#16675380)
What about a syndicated network of N companies, each with X-1 users and Y-1 gross revenue? It sounds like what you're describing would be easy to game.
Re:Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it by JumpCrisscross on Sunday March 25, 2018 @07:56PM (#16675406)
> What about a syndicated network of N companies, each with X-1 users and Y-1 gross revenue?

Size-dependent threshold exist across our tax and regulatory codes. Concepts like beneficial ownership [1] and affiliation [2], amongst others, address these issues.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beneficial_ownership

[2] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/affiliate.asp

Re:Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it by beefield on Sunday March 25, 2018 @08:00PM (#16675423)
I agree that I do not exactly like forcing business models to companies. But I think especially facebook and google are currently so difficult to avoid that their users should be given a fair choice on how to pay for their services, with money or with data.