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Re:Google's 'secret' smart city on Toronto's waterfront spar... by bitmapbrother on Saturday March 24, 2018 @03:37AM (#16665384)
If you're going to quote someone you should really post what they said.

The short answer is: We want to build the first truly 21st-century city.

The longer answer is we launched Sidewalk with the broad belief that if we combined the best in urban planning and design with the latest in technology and open digital infrastructure, we could meaningfully improve quality of life for people in cities. But one of the big challenges we saw was that no single city in the world could really stand out as a model how to do that. That’s what we hope to achieve with Waterfront Toronto: neighborhoods that pilot ideas, new and old, to solve big urban problems that cities everywhere are facing.

Of course, we are not going to build the whole thing ourselves, because real neighborhoods can never be completely planned. We’re going to need to work with all kinds of partners and groups in Toronto and beyond. We see our role with Waterfront Toronto as trying to put in place some of the underlying infrastructure — things like people-first street designs, an energy system that could one day be climate positive, buildings that can adapt to new uses. On top of those systems, all kinds of local innovators, civic groups, academics, etc, will fill in the details will their ideas and creations.

Sidewalk Toronto is our main focus. But there are also areas where we think real innovation is possible today that no one is working on yet, and when we find those opportunities we incubate companies to take them on. For example, we incubated a spin-off company called Cityblock Health that now works to improve health care delivered to low-income urban populations.

Re:Google's 'secret' smart city on Toronto's waterfront spar... by madeofpalk on Saturday March 24, 2018 @06:38AM (#16665903)
Parent quote provided a very accurate summary. There's actually nothing of substance in that quote, and it certainly doesn't answer the question: what does Sidewalk Labs actually do?
Re:Google's 'secret' smart city on Toronto's waterfront spar... by naasking on Saturday March 24, 2018 @07:53AM (#16666161)
From that quote, I got that Sidewalk Labs is intended to create an environment to foster development of innovative ideas, particularly in the space of modern living with tech. Is that not a sufficient description? Xerox PARC for modern living.
Re:Google's 'secret' smart city on Toronto's waterfront spar... by madeofpalk on Saturday March 24, 2018 @08:57AM (#16666375)
What?

Back to the original question: Is it, for the most part, a consulting firm? A developer? A construction company?

Re:Google's 'secret' smart city on Toronto's waterfront spar... by naasking on Saturday March 24, 2018 @09:02AM (#16666398)
Was Xerox PARC a consulting firm, a developer or a construction company?
Re:Google's 'secret' smart city on Toronto's waterfront spar... by scientician on Saturday March 24, 2018 @09:18AM (#16666449)
It was a research campus, no?
Re:Google's 'secret' smart city on Toronto's waterfront spar... by naasking on Saturday March 24, 2018 @09:33AM (#16666510)
Right, an R&D lab. I imagine this will work similarly, in that Google will have a contract to develop some infrastructure and will have sole discretion to lease space and resources to others for R&D purposes.

They would act kind of like a developer here, but it's not to develop specific things, like commercial or residential space, it's probably a lot more open than that, which is why people are having trouble classifying it using traditional terms.

It's like trying to classify App Engine or AWS before cloud infrastructure became a thing, when everyone ran their own servers; it requires a new category all its own.

Re:Google's 'secret' smart city on Toronto's waterfront spar... by joncrane on Saturday March 24, 2018 @08:45AM (#16666331)
Q: What does it DO? A: It's intended to....

Those are two different things.

Re:Google's 'secret' smart city on Toronto's waterfront spar... by naasking on Saturday March 24, 2018 @08:51AM (#16666354)
It doesn't do anything yet, the project hasn't even started.
Re:Google's 'secret' smart city on Toronto's waterfront spar... by s4vi0r on Saturday March 24, 2018 @08:31AM (#16666287)
I think that's a _very_ generous interpretation of the comment.
Re:Google's 'secret' smart city on Toronto's waterfront spar... by naasking on Saturday March 24, 2018 @08:57AM (#16666376)
I don't think so:

> we launched Sidewalk with the broad belief that if we combined the best in urban planning and design with the latest in technology and open digital infrastructure, we could meaningfully improve quality of life for people in cities [...] That’s what we hope to achieve with Waterfront Toronto: neighborhoods that pilot ideas, new and old, to solve big urban problems that cities everywhere are facing. [...] We see our role with Waterfront Toronto as trying to put in place some of the underlying infrastructure [...] On top of those systems, all kinds of local innovators, civic groups, academics, etc, will fill in the details will their ideas and creations.

How is this meaningfully different from what I said? Suppose we rewound time to before cloud infrastructure like AWS and Google Cloud existed, and Google came out with App Engine saying, "we put in place the underlying infrastructure so people can build useful things on it".

And people just keep asking, "but what does it do?" In both cases, the answer seems to be that it provides a platform for other people to implement their own innovative ideas. Given it's Google, this neighbourhood will probably provide ubiquitous wifi and power availability, fiber internet everywhere, and the "livable city" constraint means it will be a walkable space, so few cars, if any. I'm sure there will be plenty of other useful infrastructure I haven't even thought of.

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Re:Google's 'secret' smart city on Toronto's waterfront spar... by naasking on Saturday March 24, 2018 @09:00AM (#16666386)
Err, no, I'm a freelance software developer living in Toronto actually.
Re:Google's 'secret' smart city on Toronto's waterfront spar... by bitmapbrother on Saturday March 24, 2018 @10:01PM (#16670231)
If that's your interpretation then fine, but at least let the user make their own inference based on what was actually said instead of a heavily edited version.